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The cognitive differences between men and women

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Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by belorn »

bayonetz wrote: post #36

This topic has obviously become highly socio-political. The current fashion is that there are basically NO biological sex-type differences; that any sex-type differences are socially imposed and generally disadvantageous to women. I think a meta-study style article like this useful to show all the rich and varied science on the matter and to help spark a dialogue around "what if?". If we assume even half of the impli…

If we look at species other than human, those that have the sexes behave as equal partners tend to be very identical in traits with very few sex-type differences. Having division of complimentary abilities and preferences also means that losing half of that to predators results in a bigger loss than if both acts as backup for the other. Those species that do have many sex-type differences are usually refereed to as tournament species, with very little partnership in the care of young.

In pair bonding species, sex-type differences are few. In the extreme end, some species can even switch gender depending on the local balance. Some fish even "keep track" of who went female/male last time, as eggs cost more energy to produce. Those that cheat are then shunned.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by closeparen »

jules wrote: post #47
closeparen wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a sensitive man, an ambitious/aggressive woman, etc. is not and should not be treated like obesity. Expecting conformity to these norms causes a great deal of real-world harm (for starters: repressed emotions creating mental health crises in manly men, timidity leading to poor career outcomes for feminine women), and it is right and proper that we ostracize and exclude people who are looking to do so. We should…

What makes you think you can socially engineer people to appreciate sensitive men? The root of sensitivity is not a respect producing trait for men is because women do not find that sexually desirable on average. Properties that make men respected are the properties that women like: men compete physically (sports or physique), on social status, and on financial success. There is a reason why parents traditionally tou…

We already have done the social engineering by creating communities where it's not socially acceptable to reinforce gender roles. Now we're talking about protecting them from you.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by mpweiher »

tunesmith wrote: post #45

Can someone point out to me an example of someone arguing there is no difference between men and women? I regularly see people arguing against this viewpoint, but I am not sure I have ever seen the viewpoint itself.

Regarding the mind, "The Blank Slate" is actually the dominant viewpoint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa

Deviations are not tolerated.

For more details, see Pinker (who then debunks this): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blank_Slate

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by [deleted] »

bayonetz wrote: post #36

This topic has obviously become highly socio-political. The current fashion is that there are basically NO biological sex-type differences; that any sex-type differences are socially imposed and generally disadvantageous to women. I think a meta-study style article like this useful to show all the rich and varied science on the matter and to help spark a dialogue around "what if?". If we assume even half of the impli…

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Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by jules »

closeparen wrote: post #52
jules wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think you can socially engineer people to appreciate sensitive men? The root of sensitivity is not a respect producing trait for men is because women do not find that sexually desirable on average. Properties that make men respected are the properties that women like: men compete physically (sports or physique), on social status, and on financial success. There is a reason why parents traditionally tou…

We already have done the social engineering by creating communities where it's not socially acceptable to reinforce gender roles. Now we're talking about protecting them from you.

You can enforce political correctness but you cannot enforce respect or attraction.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by dogma1138 »

epx wrote: post #24

Men are, by far, more violent. This is a major weakness, or "defect". Why women shouldn't have their own, peculiar, weaknesses? I think that even psychiatric conditions like depression, borderline, ADD, etc. manifest very differently in men and women.

Men are more physically violent I'm not entirely sure that if we take into account all types of violence that this would still be the case.

Latest studies into domestic abuse also hint that there is almost equal parity between men and women as both the victim and the abuser.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by epx »

dogma1138 wrote: post #56
epx wrote: post #24

Men are, by far, more violent. This is a major weakness, or "defect". Why women shouldn't have their own, peculiar, weaknesses? I think that even psychiatric conditions like depression, borderline, ADD, etc. manifest very differently in men and women.

Men are more physically violent I'm not entirely sure that if we take into account all types of violence that this would still be the case. Latest studies into domestic abuse also hint that there is almost equal parity between men and women as both the victim and the abuser.

Indeed, but domestic physical violence, or threat thereof, is still a bigger problem. If I feel emotionally abused, I threat a visit to a divorce lawyer. On the other hand, if you get a death threat, the remedy is not that easy, because you won't get 24x7 police protection, now what?

Not that emotional abuse is not a problem; I dare to say that we men are not sufficiently educated to cope with that, personally I got enough of 1980's "women do no wrong" feminism flavor. I started to see my father's POV when I became husband and father myself - big wake-up call. But physical violence is still more of a problem.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by mrcabada »

How do we now this isn't something that is being caused due to the female being suppressed in our history? This studies are biased due to the fact that females haven't been treated equally for centuries and this affects on how the female see the world, affecting the real meaning of the study.

It's like taking a male that you have treated emotionally bad and you tell him thru all his life he can't do this and that and a male where you tell him he must be strong, he must do this and that. Boths are males and I bet you will find the same differences between these two males and between a male and a female.

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by mempko »

Pilfer wrote: post #38
mempko wrote: post #26

My response here will be unpopular but. Yes, there are cognitive difference, but it doesn't matter. Building software is a complex social event and requires incalculable amount of different skills sets and team effort. To use single differences to claim men are better at software like the Google guy did is just stupid. It's unscientific conjecture born out of likely deep seated issues many nerds, like me and others,…

> To use single differences to claim men are better at software like the Google guy did is just stupid No. The google author never claims anything of this sort. In one of his minor points, he argues that why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech may be explained through biological causes, backed by statistical studies. He never claims men are better at software, that's something you made up. His core poin…

And I quote.

> For example currently those trying to work extra hours or take extra stress will inevitably get ahead and if we try to change that too much, it may have disastrous consequences.

He clearly believes men are better at the kind of programming google is promoting and believes google shouldn't change because it's bad for business.

He thinks women should be casually in the game like doing part time work in programming. Read it again

Re: The cognitive differences between men and women

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Post by callesgg »

Here in Sweden if you are of the opinion that men and women are biologically different, people will call you "racist", bigot, idiot, and so on.

It is terrifying, difference has somehow become connected to the thought that one gender should be inferior.

Personally i don't care particularly much WHY the sexes are different, we are different that is enough knowledge for me in my life at the moment.

I do however care about people communicating facts that are not based on science.

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