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ThyssenKrupp Multi – world’s first rope-free elevator [video]

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"World's first 3D people mover" might be a more appropriate --- and enticing --- title, because "rope-free" can also refer to hydraulic elevators (which have been around for over a century.)

As far as I can see, the design only allows 2D movement. If you wanted the lift to move toward or away from the camera, you would need either some kind of 2nd attachment point on a different side.

They could use the bottom of the car.

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#22
post #9

Looks to be about.... 10? times the cost of a normal elevator if I had to guess. I bet the maintenance costs are fun as well. As such, doubt you will see these except in niche buildings (things like the porsche tower, etc..)

The tallest skyscrapers have issues with elevators because the cables can only be so long before they snap under their own weight, so you need elevator changing floors, which take up space and lower throughput. Either you find flexible materials with a higher tensile-strength to weight ratio than steel or you forego cables entirely.

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#23

"World's first 3D people mover" might be a more appropriate --- and enticing --- title, because "rope-free" can also refer to hydraulic elevators (which have been around for over a century.)

We could also check whether "The Willy Wonka elevator" arouses more curiosity: It's a feature of the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory book (and in the movie from Tim Burton).

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There already are rope-free elevators, for instance: - the hydraulic elevator ( https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lFWNDQDN2hE/T3nbR7woCAI/AAAAAAAAB... ) -the Paternoster ( http://www.audioguideportal.de/assets/Foto/thumbnail520x397/... ) The post title is just clickbait for a ThyssenKrupp commercial, plus it only shows animations of these new elevators. Yawn.

> plus it only shows animations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7QlAsxJP-g#t=58s

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#25

I hate to be so cynical, but for how often the TK elevator in our building is out of service (these things have been around for 100 years and still break down more than a Fiat), I don't have the confidence necessary to step foot in this thing.

Came to post a similar comment. Of course it's anecdotal, but in our old building we had a +20 years old Schindler's lift (yes that sounds very close to Schindler's List, the joke is never far away) and in the 5 years I was there I never saw them failing. In a new building no single month passes by without one of the TK elevators needing servicing, at worst multiple times a week. And if they're in service there are still always chances they forget the floor entered or one of the special programs for limited access areas stops working. Definitely software problems but might also be hardware related sometimes. Like the doors sliding open a couple of mm then closing again, until the technician shows up once again. I know that doesn't mean all their products are like that and maybe human error is at fault here, but it ceryainly does not leave the same good impression as the Schindler's ones.

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post #2

There already are rope-free elevators, for instance: - the hydraulic elevator ( https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lFWNDQDN2hE/T3nbR7woCAI/AAAAAAAAB... ) -the Paternoster ( http://www.audioguideportal.de/assets/Foto/thumbnail520x397/... ) The post title is just clickbait for a ThyssenKrupp commercial, plus it only shows animations of these new elevators. Yawn.

I'd rather not ride a paternoster --- seems quite likely to function as an execution machine :(

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The real problem I see with this, is the complexity of the components required to make anything seen in this video is orders of magnitudes more that vertical shaft versions -- thus the cost of an elevator will me massive.

What are the seismic implications - the tolerances on the XY intersections are surely tight.

How the hell would you inspect some of the complex systems.

You would need a sensor car that just roams the tracks measuring tolerance levels - make it a service car that repairmen can be in which has no walls. You'd be more cost effective putting all your large sensor objects in a car as opposed to thousands of them throughout the system

What happens when a rotating intersection piece fails and its the only route a car can take/the piece fails with a car on that portion of track - there is no door/escape/access to the passengers in that scenario.

Also - the building would require extra height to accommodate horizontal passages if the intersection between XY cant happen at ingress/egress points. If they DO happen at such points - what happens when E1 wants to go right and E2 wants to go left. one car need to give way, then get back on track to go... routing conflicts could occur frequently - like the skyway connectors between towers where that Sim takes the car from tower1 to tower2 but he gets out of the middle of a row of doors....

And as mentioned, elevators are already not that cheap - I don think all but the Nakatomi Plaza and Ono Sendai HQ buildings could afford these yet...

Actually - There are buildings with primary structural elements on there external (HSBC Building in Hong Kong, for example) -- So I could see this as an external bolt-on layer to the side of a building - as opposed to a network of tunnels and shafts throughout - but then that eliminates a majority of the horizontal movement, unless it wraps onto two sides of a building...

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#30
post #8

looks expensive to build, purchase and maintain. not sure there's anything "revolutionary" here.

If the rails are solid state using for example magnetic levitation, I can see this being much cheaper to maintain.

Ever been in an elevator during a power outage?
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