Wonder if anything similar could have happened to the author of cURL had he not been denied boarding on a US flight - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467
Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
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Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if that country was North Korea and the crime was punishable by execution? 40 years in prison is extreme for $2000. They might as well execute him. And yes, I compared the US to North Korea, but when it comes to cyber security laws they really aren't that much different. The punishments are way out of proportion to the crimes. You'd be better of killing someone than hacking them.
I guess he has a different opinion on "They might as well execute him." But it's nevertheless interesting how easy people are with other peoples lives. And yes if you go to a different country, be aware of their laws. "The punishments are way out of proportion to the crimes." Don't go to the US. http://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day Also Dr. Ferris.
> Don't go to the US.
Yup, or rather, try to stay within your own jurisdiction.
Right now, SHA2017 [1] is going on in The Netherlands. There's also the CCC, Chaos Computer Congress in Germany. Besides that, there's also a Camp called CCC every other few years. Someone from the UK could've stayed in the EU, but didn't.
Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is so because they are based on the archaic principle of guilt and redemption, and not an ethical system that considers the well-being of everybody involved.
I don't see how those two are contradictory.
A guilt and redemption system focuses almost exclusively on the transgressions of the accused for the well being of society. An ethical system takes into account the well-being of everybody including the accused.
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#44Guilty or not, this seems more like a kidnapping than an arrest. Can they really ignore all rights as they see fit?
Please outline the rights that were denied to him. The article that we are commenting about seems to have a completely deluded sense of what his rights are, but maybe we can start the discussion around his specific rights. Contra the original article, a 23 year-old does not have a fundamental right to talk to mommy and daddy once arrested. Law enforcement is under no obligation to arrest you as you arrive in country…
"there are strict limits on how long he can be denied such access and he should expect the feds to go right up to that limit but not beyond"
I disagree, the limits are minimum standards, not what we should expect.
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#45.
It was ~$2000 per sale, not total amount of sales worth $2000.
I also question if the conversion of BTC worth was based on what it was worth back when the alleged crime was committed.
Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#46Wonder if anything similar could have happened to the author of cURL had he not been denied boarding on a US flight - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467
Probably not? Daniel Stenberg is a network protocols geek and software author, not a security researcher.
Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#47Guilty or not, this seems more like a kidnapping than an arrest. Can they really ignore all rights as they see fit?
Please outline the rights that were denied to him. The article that we are commenting about seems to have a completely deluded sense of what his rights are, but maybe we can start the discussion around his specific rights. Contra the original article, a 23 year-old does not have a fundamental right to talk to mommy and daddy once arrested. Law enforcement is under no obligation to arrest you as you arrive in country…
I want to hate the FBI but also like this post. Also I'm hungry.
Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#48From afar, America always seems to adopt the sledgehammer to crack a nut approach.
I think this is so because they are based on the archaic principle of guilt and redemption, and not an ethical system that considers the well-being of everybody involved.
Right, if only America were as "ethical" as other countries like the one that gives a person who murders 80 children a little 3-room apartment with a Playstation 2, personal PC, kitchen, exercise area, etc. where they can write their memoirs
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#49Guilty or not, this seems more like a kidnapping than an arrest. Can they really ignore all rights as they see fit?
If you are not a US citizen you have fewer rights if you are arrested in the US. Even fewer if it's via extraordinary rendition.
This is simply not true. Everyone on US soil has the same rights when accused of a crime.
Incidentally, the rights of the accused are stronger in the US than in any other jurisdiction in the world. He has the unqualified right to remain silent and to a jury trial in which illegally gathered evidence is excluded. He would have neither of those in the UK.
Re: Regarding Marcus Hutchins aka MalwareTech
#50Call me very sceptical.
Where did he all has the money from, which he spent in Vegas? It looks very suspicious to me. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4762608/Marcus-Hutch...
* Rented a Lamborghini, and wanted to rent a helicopter flight to the Grand Canyon.
* Stayed at a £1,950-a-night mansion rented with seven friends with Vegas' largest private pool. Who paid for this?
* Didn't attend the 2 conferences there.
* Admitted in a police interview that he created the code of a malware that harvests bank details, a prosecutor said in a Las Vegas court.