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Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by glitch003 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #196
pjc50 wrote: post #68

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I don't think they're ever likely to do that; the response to locked content that you want to see is to decide whether or not to pay for it. This is like complaining that Amazon shows you products you can't afford.

It's cool, I just won't use the Patreon website as a way to explore new creators, nor will I patronize creators that heavily tier their content. This means pretty much all of their adult content. If they knew how much time and money I've spent on that kind of thing, they wouldn't take my complaints lightly.

You also might be able to fix this with your own stylesheet / browser extension to hide the locked content.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by simlevesque »

ameister14 wrote: post #380
simlevesque wrote: post #60

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I'm not convinced that having something in common with someone corrolates with cooperation.

Well, it definitely corrolates. That's how agreements are made, after all. If you have nothing in common with another person there is no framework for understanding.

Why would the type of content you listen to prevent us from ever collaborating ? You gotta be close minded not to collaborate with people who don't consume the same content as you do...

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by door »

IGI-111 wrote: post #381
door wrote: post #302

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if you think that calling racism or nazism horrible is "subjective" then you clearly have no solid principles and this conversation is over i think you're wrong about christianity, and we can debate whether or not advocacy of it should be allowed on a public platform. i think comparing it to nazism, targeted harassment, child porn/revenge porn, and hate speech (really the only things banned on reddit for example) is…

You're forgetting that politics are inherently subjective. There is no way for you to make up a rule about what should be banned besides "I don't agree with it".

i don't think it's subjective to say that nazism is reprehensible.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by hacalox »

WikipediasBad wrote: post #324
WesleyLivesay wrote: post #275

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I can echo this, my Patreon isn't for software, but I get more per month on Patreon than I was getting per year through donations with basically the same level of marketing.

I'm thinking of getting a team of friends to make a Patreon platform but tailor made for software devs/code projects/open source projects rather than creative content. As someone that's on hacker news and has a patreon but isn't for software, do you have any suggestions for someone like me that wanted to develop a patreon focused on software?

Me! It's an idea I've been thinking a lot lately. I have some ideas I would love to discuss if there are more people interestes in doing this.We can get in touch if you want.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by erikpukinskis »

sqeaky wrote: post #386
erikpukinskis wrote: post #218

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Yes. Luckily we live in bodies that are almost exactly the same as dogs. The reason why you empathize with a dog more than an octopus is precisely because our bodies are similar. Do you have another theory as to why we empathize with dogs more than, say, a forest, or a hive of ants?

I see how empathy can help, but I disagree its required. We could choose to be benevolent to octupi in a number of ways. We know killing them is bad from their perspective. We know that some like making homes and all like eating certain eating food and we know many other things. We could get very far by acting in accordance with their apparent desires and simply not exploiting them or their environment.

There's no way to understand anything you can't map on to your embodied experience of the world.

You can only even perceive their apparent desires to the extent you can map them onto your own experiences.

You could offer them language for controlling you, and they could learn to use it according to their desires, through trial and error, but without shared bodily experience you cant understand those desires.

And them being able to control you doesn't solve the benevolence problem. Because benevolence is understanding without ceding control. For you to be benevolent you need to actually understand them, which requires shared experience.

This is why I think consent is a much better basis for social coordination than benevolence.

In the case of AIs it is somewhat moot, because the first general/hard AIs will be clones of humans in humanoid bodies.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by zanny »

rtpg wrote: post #393
zanny wrote: post #65

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I agree the model is the future, but a for profit American company running a proprietary web service cannot be the final solution. On one hand, patronage perfectly replaces all the draconian reasons modern IP exists as it does. Paying people to make the stuff you want them to make versus having them paid by someone looking to profit off government enforced scarcity on the produced work is much, much better for everyo…

>it would be insane to let a private company dictate who gets to use the platform It would be absurdly easy for anyone who has problems with Patreon to set up an alternative place. Though you still have to deal with payment processors. Patreon is less a platform, and more just a hosting service. Saying someone banned from Patreon is shut off from this sort of service might be a bit of a stretch IMO.

This is dismissing its mindshare model. People recognize patreon. Once they use it once, the friction to support more artists is minimal. This means if you are someone who wants patrons for your work, you have to use Patreon. Not because of technical merit, but because that is where people are.

It isn't that bad yet. It hasn't taken off massively and conquered the universe like Facebook. But it is currently on track to. The only saving grace is that the usual onboarding is content discovery -> patreon rather than patreon -> content, but if they ever become a content platform and creators stop releasing their work anywhere but on patreon it spells the death of competition.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by dang »

bluthru wrote: post #396
learc83 wrote: post #331

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Using her boat to physically block a ship from leaving the harbor and firing flares in that direction. That is definitely illegal. The ship had no cargo at the time, but even if it was carrying tons of heroin and literal slaves, trying to block a large ship at night with a small boat is dangerous vigelantee behavior at best. And it's most definitely illegal. Call the coast guard if you think something illegal is goin…

>And it's most definitely illegal. Under what jurisdiction? >The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. In this case it's one in the same. The vast majority of these people aren't refugees: http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/producti... The vast major…

Would you both please stop this? It's destructive of this site to use it for political and ideological battle.

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Post by dang »

learc83 wrote: post #397
bluthru wrote: post #396

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>And it's most definitely illegal. Under what jurisdiction? >The rediculous part is that she was there to supposedly stop "human trafficking", but her and her boatmates were chanting "no illegal immigration" the entire time. In this case it's one in the same. The vast majority of these people aren't refugees: http://i.imgur.com/WCBSbMP.png https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12FDB/producti... The vast major…

>Under what jurisdiction? You're seriously arguing about the legality of using your boat to attempt to block a ship from leaving a harbor? I'm going to leave it to you to find the law the coast guard believed the violated when they arrested them. I don't speak Italian, so you have at it. >Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: And he's a far right politician who has zero evidence. After he made tha…

Would you both please stop this and not do it again? It's destructive of this site to use it for political and ideological battle.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by learc83 »

dang wrote: post #408
learc83 wrote: post #397

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>Under what jurisdiction? You're seriously arguing about the legality of using your boat to attempt to block a ship from leaving a harbor? I'm going to leave it to you to find the law the coast guard believed the violated when they arrested them. I don't speak Italian, so you have at it. >Wrong. The Chief Prosecutor of Catania, Sicily thinks so: And he's a far right politician who has zero evidence. After he made tha…

Would you both please stop this and not do it again? It's destructive of this site to use it for political and ideological battle.

What do you mean by political and ideological battle? I've had plenty of political and ideological debates her over the years I've been here.

What exactly is it about this one that crosses the line?

If I see someone pushing conspiracy theories about NGOs working with ISIS to smuggle migrants into Europe, I'm going to call that out.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by vinceguidry »

glitch003 wrote: post #401
vinceguidry wrote: post #196

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It's cool, I just won't use the Patreon website as a way to explore new creators, nor will I patronize creators that heavily tier their content. This means pretty much all of their adult content. If they knew how much time and money I've spent on that kind of thing, they wouldn't take my complaints lightly.

You also might be able to fix this with your own stylesheet / browser extension to hide the locked content.

Last time I tried something like this it was completely unreliable. Sometimes my javascripts / styles loaded, sometimes they didn't. That was when I was trying to alter HN, so it couldn't have been the site.
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