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Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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Why does US have these diversity problems? Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? Is it such a huge deal that you have to work with a few women? Is it such a huge deal that as a technical woman, you have to work mostly with men? I can tell you, in Belgium, in my experience and what I hear, this is not an issue whatsoever. Most women I worked with actually preferred working in teams o…

> Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology?

If this is because they have been systematically discriminated against in tech and primed at a young age with BS like "cars are for boys and dolls are for girls" then yes, absolutely this is a huge deal. If it just so happened that they were not interested because they don't have the "technology gene" then this would not be a big deal, but that is nonsense and all the evidence points to the former.

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#42
The concept of "ideological diversity" is definitely a clever tactic for changing the subject away from gender and racial diversity. But that's all it is -- or are you really clamoring to hire people who think the world is flat, who believe monarchy is the only acceptable form of government, or who indent using precisely 17 spaces?

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#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh-- work in tech in Norway and our female engineers definitely feel outnumbered and sometimes avoid outings unless another woman will be there. That's in egalitarian Scandinavia.

Norway is 97% white people, 95% of Norwegian descent. It's hard to say a country is egalitarian if it doesn't really have any diversity.

On the contrary, an egalitarian society is much easier to achieve if your population is homogeneous (it's just not a big achievement).

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post #41

Why does US have these diversity problems? Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? Is it such a huge deal that you have to work with a few women? Is it such a huge deal that as a technical woman, you have to work mostly with men? I can tell you, in Belgium, in my experience and what I hear, this is not an issue whatsoever. Most women I worked with actually preferred working in teams o…

> Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? If this is because they have been systematically discriminated against in tech and primed at a young age with BS like "cars are for boys and dolls are for girls" then yes, absolutely this is a huge deal. If it just so happened that they were not interested because they don't have the "technology gene" then this would not be a big deal, but tha…

> all the evidence points to the former.

There is an interesting documentary called "The Norway Paradox"[1] that explores why do we see a much higher rate of gender segregation in developed countries. The thesis the documentary advances is that there are indeed innate differences between the sexes, and with higher freedom that can be found in advanced societies, the people are freer to choose a job that fits their innate tendencies rather than be forced into something else by economic or social circumstances.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

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post #35

Google is substantially located in the Bay Area. Of course they hate ideological diversity, in practice if not in principle. It is an attitude common in their workforce. This is a tendentious statement, so I will relate my own experience. Once upon a time I was working in California, at a tiny startup, and was reading some election results from "back home" in North Carolina, which had just passed Amendment One by abo…

> "wow, 60% of North Carolina is literally horrible, terrible people." The worst thing here is the suggestion that there was 100% turnout, instead it was closer to 30%, so only about 20% voted for it. The amendment was found unconstitutional a short time afterwards anyway, finding that marriage is a fundamental right for everyone.

Equality is a fundamental right. There is nothing stopping a state from eliminating marriage under the 10th amendment.

Re: Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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> replacing Google's diversity initiatives with policies that encourage "ideological diversity" I somehow think that if one aims for "ideological diversity" then "gender/race/minority diversity" will come for free. But the question is how to you target "ideological diversity" when hiring.

"Ideological diversity" usually boils down to "fill the place up with people who think like me, the person calling for ideological diversity".

Judging by the reaction "diversity" also seem to boil down "fill the place up with people who think like me, the person calling for diversity".

Also, extrapolating anything from a text we cannot see rapidly brings us in strawman arguments territory.

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#48
Everything anyone will say publicly with their name about this, is lies.

He did not shit on leftist values. That can't even be a misunderstanding, that was just a lie (plain and simple). He simply pointed out that society uses a mix of leftist and rightist values, and neither side is 100% right.

Google has people openly say that "if you are republican then you should be fired" (and much much worse).

Nobody will criticize these lies, because this is a witch hunt, and one where this guy must be publicly shamed and destroyed, and anyone who speaks up against it must also be destroyed.

I hope many Googlers take notes and screenshots, because this is a clear discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen. I know some Google employees who are adding to their lists of future discrimination lawsuits. Harassment for political opinions.

This is what happens if you express an opinion against the dogma that is "There is ZERO difference between genders, it's ALL societal, NOTHING innate".

The guy started with a whole section about how you cannot use averages to judge individuals (he even had graphs showing exactly how you cannot), but that a 50/50 equal men/women engineering pool is not a realistic goal nor helpful because there are innate differences between men and women.

He then sprinkled it with some cherry-picked and possibly incorrect research, but is the basic premise wrong? No.

Re: Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

#49
> "If HR does nothing in this case, I will consider leaving this company for real for the first time in five years," she wrote in a threaded tweet.

Maybe I'm missing something but since when did HR become the Thought Police? Do people actually believe that if you intimidate someone into silence they will stop having these thoughts? Last I checked the psychological research in this area suggested that people rebelled against it and doubled down, even if in private.

And the threat itself - suppose she does leave the company and then what?

A person that's ready to throw both a tantrum on social media and your company's reputation under the bus the moment she hears a colleague voice an unpopular opinion does not sound like a smash hit with hiring managers, more like a risk and a liability.

Re: Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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post #35

Google is substantially located in the Bay Area. Of course they hate ideological diversity, in practice if not in principle. It is an attitude common in their workforce. This is a tendentious statement, so I will relate my own experience. Once upon a time I was working in California, at a tiny startup, and was reading some election results from "back home" in North Carolina, which had just passed Amendment One by abo…

> "wow, 60% of North Carolina is literally horrible, terrible people." The worst thing here is the suggestion that there was 100% turnout, instead it was closer to 30%, so only about 20% voted for it. The amendment was found unconstitutional a short time afterwards anyway, finding that marriage is a fundamental right for everyone.

> The worst thing here

The worst thing?

Suppose there is a referendum in, I don't know, Venezuela or something; that's adequately hypothetical. Imagine they put a referendum banning gay marriage on the ballots in Venezuela, and it passes with similar levels of turnout and support. There's a guy in your office from Venezuela who's reading about it, a little bit troubled by the news, and you say, "wow, I guess 60% of Venezuelans are literally horrible terrible people."

Do you think that he is going to be most upset with the precision and accuracy present in the percentage you used, and not, say, the idea that you just casually pass judgement on what might easily be 60% of his family, extended family, friends, former co-workers, schoolmates, acquaintances, and the like? Not with the way you dismiss entirely their value as moral actors, without any further attempts to seek understanding of them as human beings, pre-emptively closing the door on learning about their culture and their values, not even pretending that you've an interest in understanding their lives as flawed, imperfect human beings, implicitly disclaiming all need to sympathize with their troubles? Not with the way that you, hailing from a background of substantial privilege in the San Francisco Bay Area, college-educated, and now happily earning six figures in a software job, feel that it's right and just to look down on these people, some of whom are fighting to live somewhere better than a shack in the woods?

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