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Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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Re: Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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Post by ribfeast »

koonsolo wrote: post #19

Why does US have these diversity problems? Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? Is it such a huge deal that you have to work with a few women? Is it such a huge deal that as a technical woman, you have to work mostly with men? I can tell you, in Belgium, in my experience and what I hear, this is not an issue whatsoever. Most women I worked with actually preferred working in teams o…

Eh-- work in tech in Norway and our female engineers definitely feel outnumbered and sometimes avoid outings unless another woman will be there. That's in egalitarian Scandinavia.

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Post by jgtrosh »

holydude wrote: post #10

Sigh. Again an artificially created problem. I dunno maybe we all should work from home and interact with other entities using just handles.

Is it legal to employ anonymous people (or entities I guess) in any country? I guess both parties can pay taxes separately and I assume it has happened for some security research, insider info, special consulting, but I don't know if that's actually legal. (It seems to me to go against the common way for governments to regulate workforce.)

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Post by mindfulhack »

The 'biological differences between the sexes' is scientific data that needs to be mindfully assessed - Google of all companies ought to embrace this data and act on it accordingly. Statistically, I'd say there absolutely are majority differences between the sexes, so the sophisticated action is what do we do with this knowledge.

It depends what the company wants to achieve. Some smarter R&D/focus group/more intelligent way of integrating diverse populations into the company's DNA, not just blunt diversity employee policies in some PR-friendly reactionary manner.

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Post by makarb »

ribfeast wrote: post #21
koonsolo wrote: post #19

Why does US have these diversity problems? Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? Is it such a huge deal that you have to work with a few women? Is it such a huge deal that as a technical woman, you have to work mostly with men? I can tell you, in Belgium, in my experience and what I hear, this is not an issue whatsoever. Most women I worked with actually preferred working in teams o…

Eh-- work in tech in Norway and our female engineers definitely feel outnumbered and sometimes avoid outings unless another woman will be there. That's in egalitarian Scandinavia.

The fact that women prefer to be around women just highlights the simple fact that men and women are fundamentally different and that egalitarianism is a pipe dream.

Re: Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'

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Post by vertex-four »

ribfeast wrote: post #21
koonsolo wrote: post #19

Why does US have these diversity problems? Is it such a huge deal that most women are not interested in technology? Is it such a huge deal that you have to work with a few women? Is it such a huge deal that as a technical woman, you have to work mostly with men? I can tell you, in Belgium, in my experience and what I hear, this is not an issue whatsoever. Most women I worked with actually preferred working in teams o…

Eh-- work in tech in Norway and our female engineers definitely feel outnumbered and sometimes avoid outings unless another woman will be there. That's in egalitarian Scandinavia.

> sometimes avoid outings unless another woman will be there

I do this, regularly, in the UK. I really, really don't want to be the sole target of the one bigot in the room who none of the other men think is a problem (or at least not enough to speak to) - I'm meeting people to enjoy myself, and navigating the social complexities involved in accommodating people who attack me based on gender (plus other visible things I can't do much about) is not fun. Having another woman present tends to result in such behaviour being dialed down a tonne, or at least the ability to step out with her for a few minutes.

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Post by vostok »

alanfranzoni wrote: post #13
lwansbrough wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time, if the data supported his claims, I wonder what Googlers would have to say. If Google wants the best, what is it willing to risk? Personally I think for most companies you're better off with a diverse crowd regardless, lest you end up with a bunch of out of touch yuppie guys trying to "change the world" by building an IOT coffee machine. That is to say, all types of diversity be it race, socioeconom…

That may be an issue. Of course, it depends on what you mean by "best". If "best" means "like me", you're at risk of creating a monoculture. Personally, I think that we should stop looking for "the best" at all times and enormously rewarding them, because this is creating a lot of disparity, and maybe "the best" sometimes carry with them some large drawback (possibly "the best" engineer spends 10 hour working, and 6…

Or you could hire the best for a given role in a given context.

Sometimes you need the whiz kid who can rewrite Torch from scratch in a weekend. It's OK if they eat the gunk between their toes.

Sometimes you need the gregarious former athlete. It's OK if they got an A- in real analysis.

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