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Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by literallycancer »

Jedd wrote: post #270
literallycancer wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But cars are useful and, on average safer, for many / the majority of people that use them. Guns are, on average, not so useful / safe. Note that I'm averaging this across the planet, not just across one small (5% of global population) country with a lot of strong opinions on the matter. Do you have the numbers to back that up?

> Do you have the numbers to back that up? Seriously? Do you mean car .vs. gun, or gun harm/death differentials between countries with (broadly) different attitudes towards gun ownership and use? The latter is pretty easy to find numbers. Wikipedia [1] (sort by last column) for countries by fire-arm death, or [2] estimated number of guns (ownership) per capita. Comparing gun deaths around the world, humanosphere[3] h…

>If you mean the former - that's a trickier thing to evaluate. Less people have access to a gun than a car, for starters, and most people use a car much more often than they use a gun. Cars are designed to transport people and goods - guns are designed to cause damage - so defining 'accidental use' of both is an interesting question. A bit of quick googling comes up with some numbers, suggesting guns are now - in absolute terms - the cause of death for more USA citizens than cars ... but naturally there's some dispute about how those numbers are determined, and some strong interest in not comparing those stats to other countries.

I'm interested in both car accidents vs gun accidents and car accidents vs all gun related deaths, especially in countries with sane gun (e.g. well thought out, not let's ban everything) regulation that aren't the US.

Here's some stats that I've found just now:

Switzerland: gun related deaths per 100k people: 3.01, with 3.3 being the traffic accidents number.[1][2]

Czech Republic: gun related: 1.8, traffic accidents: 6.1.[3][2]

1 - http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

2 - http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/czech-republic

3 -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by dang »

cloop_floop wrote: post #169
b3lvedere wrote: post #143

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So beautiful people aren't evil?

That's a retarded takeaway.

We ban accounts that comment like this, so please don't do it again, regardless of how bad the target of your comment is.

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by touristtam »

sleazybae wrote: post #267
touristtam wrote: post #265

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Noone is interested in listening at your heavy breathing and watching your extactic face while you are getting entertained with adult material on your TP.

savagery detection unit is redlining

Ye, I should have re-read myself and opted for cancelling the previous comment. sorry. :\

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by amiga-workbench »

touristtam wrote: post #273
sleazybae wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

savagery detection unit is redlining

Ye, I should have re-read myself and opted for cancelling the previous comment. sorry. :\

Don't be, it got a laugh out of me.

https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/new-owner-of-secondha...

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by Jedd »

literallycancer wrote: post #271
Jedd wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have the numbers to back that up? Seriously? Do you mean car .vs. gun, or gun harm/death differentials between countries with (broadly) different attitudes towards gun ownership and use? The latter is pretty easy to find numbers. Wikipedia [1] (sort by last column) for countries by fire-arm death, or [2] estimated number of guns (ownership) per capita. Comparing gun deaths around the world, humanosphere[3] h…

>If you mean the former - that's a trickier thing to evaluate. Less people have access to a gun than a car, for starters, and most people use a car much more often than they use a gun. Cars are designed to transport people and goods - guns are designed to cause damage - so defining 'accidental use' of both is an interesting question. A bit of quick googling comes up with some numbers, suggesting guns are now - in abs…

> ... especially in countries with sane gun (e.g. well thought out, not let's ban everything) regulation that aren't the US.

Sanity is in the eye of the permit-holder, I suspect.

Most countries seem to rarely change their gun laws, having inherited them from various historical events (or fears of possible events).

In Australia we had a major gun law change back in the 1990's in response to a lunatic shooting several dozen people - but I don't know offhand of any other societies that have successfully re-considered their laws and attitudes towards gun ownership.

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Post by junkculture »

dpedu wrote: post #261
junkculture wrote: post #109

The Paris attacks were coordinated over plain old encrypted SMS. Didn't see that coming. The Australian PM thinks the laws of mathematics can be bent to those of Australia. Now this genius. Fact is, communications are ubiquitous now, and even if every byte was unencrypted, they won't be able to catch every crook.

Don't you mean UNencrypted SMS?

I did. Typo. Thanks.
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