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Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by AStrangeMorrow »

gberger wrote: post #26
AStrangeMorrow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a bit curious about the 90th percentile tho. "Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points" I can't understand if it means, on a test with 1000 point…

A 100th percentile would probably mean a perfect score on the exam. https://magoosh.com/toefl/2015/whats-your-toefl-percentile/

Thanks (: It does make sense to me with the values now

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by eb0la »

I'm wondering what will happen to the housing market in the US and Europe in case this bill gets approved.

There is a market for middle-high income people that buys housing out of their home country just in case the political situation becomes unfavorable.

In fact some countries give you residence if you spend a high amount of money on real estate.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by [deleted] »

cmahler7 wrote: post #21
saimiam wrote: post #14

(Not an economist. Current h1b visa holder about to leave the US to grow my company in India.) A country whose indigenous population growth is stagnating, whose indigenous population does currently not pick up all available jobs, whose economy is 6x as big as Canada and Australia combined is choosing to turn away immigrants. From a purely numerical standpoint, an 18T dollar economy built by 330M individuals will star…

How about we spend the same hundreds of millions or billions incentivizing those smart people to have kids rather than importing uneducated people because they breed like rabbits? Bringing in millions of people who will most likely be reliant on government benefits while punishing successful people isn't a winning strategy. Only 13% of Germany's refugees have found work, not really helping GDP. http://www.reuters.com…

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Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by fiblye »

saimiam wrote: post #14

(Not an economist. Current h1b visa holder about to leave the US to grow my company in India.) A country whose indigenous population growth is stagnating, whose indigenous population does currently not pick up all available jobs, whose economy is 6x as big as Canada and Australia combined is choosing to turn away immigrants. From a purely numerical standpoint, an 18T dollar economy built by 330M individuals will star…

America isn't turning away Nobel Prize winners. This system is open to those who are educated and/or skilled. It's difficult for those who aren't.

Many countries have similar immigration standards. It's only when America does it that people get angry. It's quite difficult for skilled workers to get visas to the EU. Far harder than it is for Europeans to move to America.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by yorwba »

AStrangeMorrow wrote: post #25
gberger wrote: post #20

Some quick math for an "average" college grad: - [Age] 22-25: +8 - [Education] Foreign BS: +5 - [English] 90th percentile (108 or more on TOEFL [0]): +11 This amounts to 24 points, needing 6 more to achieve 30. A job offer of 150% the median household income of the state is only +5 points, so the candidate would need a 200% offer. This means, using 2015 data [1]: - California: $64.5k -> $129k - Washington: $64k -> $1…

I am a bit curious about the 90th percentile tho. "Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points" I can't understand if it means, on a test with 1000 point…

I interpret "100th percentile range" to mean the 1 percent of the population that is above the 99th percentile.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by sumedh »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #11
docdeek wrote: post #4

This seems pretty similar to Australia’s points system. http://www.border.gov.au/visas/supporting/Pages/190/points-t...

The main difference I see, is that unless you are a Nobel Prize or Olympic Medal winner, or a 26-30 yo with a PhD perfectly fluent in English, the only way to qualify is to have an existing job offer. If I'm not wrong, both in Canada and Australia you can apply and look for a job there, if you can prove you have enough funds and past work experience, in addition to similar age/education/language fluency requirements.

> Canada and Australia you can apply and look for a job there

You can apply for permanent resident visa for AUS and CAN without visiting those countries. Once you get the visa, move to the country and look for jobs.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by sumedh »

dogma1138 wrote: post #15
Kurtz79 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main difference I see, is that unless you are a Nobel Prize or Olympic Medal winner, or a 26-30 yo with a PhD perfectly fluent in English, the only way to qualify is to have an existing job offer. If I'm not wrong, both in Canada and Australia you can apply and look for a job there, if you can prove you have enough funds and past work experience, in addition to similar age/education/language fluency requirements.

Yes, albeit the former is much more common in most other places. This is the same as the UK, there is virtually no way to immigrate under a work visa unless you are sponsored by a company (you still need to meet the point system). It's also not that easy to get into Australia or Canada on a Visa to look for work, even if you have sufficient points you are much more likely to be declined unless you have a job offer /…

> you are much more likely to be declined unless you have a job offer / sponsorship.

No that does not matter, if you have 60 points (for AUS) and there are open slots for that month you can apply for the visa. Preference is given to people who have highest points.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by tallanvor »

fiblye wrote: post #34
saimiam wrote: post #14

(Not an economist. Current h1b visa holder about to leave the US to grow my company in India.) A country whose indigenous population growth is stagnating, whose indigenous population does currently not pick up all available jobs, whose economy is 6x as big as Canada and Australia combined is choosing to turn away immigrants. From a purely numerical standpoint, an 18T dollar economy built by 330M individuals will star…

America isn't turning away Nobel Prize winners. This system is open to those who are educated and/or skilled. It's difficult for those who aren't. Many countries have similar immigration standards. It's only when America does it that people get angry. It's quite difficult for skilled workers to get visas to the EU. Far harder than it is for Europeans to move to America.

I can't speak for most of the EU, but I know that for the UK, it's a lot of paperwork, but overall not difficult to get a visa if you have a job offer from a UK employer and they've sponsored visas before.

And while not a part of the EU, it's quite straightforward to get a visa for Norway if you have a job offer in IT or other professional fields, with the major exception being healthcare, where it can be difficult to get your credentials recognized, and you have to pass an exam showing proficiency in Norwegian.

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