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Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Post by icebraining »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #133
CaptSpify wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that I've seen less moderation of personal behaviors via these mechanisms in our current society over my lifetime, and I'm not sure that's a big problem. I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense. NOTE: I'm mostly talking out of my ass here as I've…

> I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense. It seems to me that Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat are causing extreme narcissism to embed itself in younger cohorts, along with workers being more mobile causing family units to fall apart. The shitty parts…

along with workers being more mobile causing family units to fall apart.

"Millennials are moving significantly less than earlier generations of young adults."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/13/americans-ar...

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Post by dang »

mason240 wrote: post #26

Corporation caught in a scandal over censoring political speech against the right? Better have the The Verge write a puff piece on them.

Would you please not engage in ideological flamewar on HN? Regardless of how correct your underlying point is.

If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.

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Post by _v7gu »

bigiain wrote: post #284
pillowkusis wrote: post #7

I have seen so many content creators go full time and create awesome work because Patreon gives them a format to incentivize their followers to pay them. The economics are beautiful — turns out just 1,000 people (a pittance on internet mass media websites) donating $5 a month will totally change the way you run your life. And even better, these artists are independent in a way no artist has ever been before. You’re n…

The "1000 true fans" essay from 2008 predicted a lot of this: http://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/

Wow, there was even a Web 1.0 Kickstarter

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Post by isostatic »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #338
coredog64 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and immediate incitement of violence are not allowed in the US either.

An example of speech that is actually illegal in the U.S. -- saying "[The President] ought to be killed. It is a wonder some one has not done it already. If I had an opportunity, I would do it myself." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_President_of_t...

Sending a few messages along the lines of "Hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself I don't know there's a lot of ways" and "All you have to do is turn the generator on and you will be free and happy"

Is also illegal

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40817255

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Post by wfo »

AlwaysBCoding wrote: post #265
AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #148

barf. yuck. I found that article physically repulsive. Patreon, if you are listening, don't buy into all the power that the article wants to shower upon you. They want you to influence your exercise of that power, and they want you to use that power to do their bidding in limiting free debate of ideas. Patrons and the person that they support, that's it, that's all there is to it. The silver coin is being given by ha…

They've already fucked it up. Here's an hour long interview with Patreon's CEO, Jack Conte, where he goes through some ridiculous mental gymnastics trying to justify why it's ok he is kicking conservative journalists off his platform. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw

Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean using patreon funds are conservative journalists. Won't anyone think of free speech? Next he'll ban patreon crowdfunding the creation of snuff films, what a monster. It's almost like he doesn't want to be knowingly complicit in murder.

I'll give you this, though, the man is devious -- can you imagine the mental gymnastics involved in watching a video proudly filmed and posted online by these people of them doing a thing and discussing that very thing in the middle of doing it? And using that as evidence? Truly disgusting.

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Post by sattoshi »

AmIFirstToThink wrote: post #148

barf. yuck. I found that article physically repulsive. Patreon, if you are listening, don't buy into all the power that the article wants to shower upon you. They want you to influence your exercise of that power, and they want you to use that power to do their bidding in limiting free debate of ideas. Patrons and the person that they support, that's it, that's all there is to it. The silver coin is being given by ha…

Sounds like a sailed ship

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Post by mdpopescu »

neaden wrote: post #2

I like patreon but at the same time I'm a bit uncomfortable with how the interaction aspect of it sometimes works. Lots of artists are essentially charging for interaction with them rather than a product. From the article: "In this system, it’s almost impossible to separate a work of art from its creator — or, at least, its creator’s public persona. Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a…

I pay some people on Patreon who have never posted a single thing. I do that because I read some of their fanfiction and liked it, and I wanted to reward them for it. I even do it with Wildbow, whose epic Worm I never read (!) but I read hundreds of fanfic based on it instead.

You have to find your niche.

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Post by mdpopescu »

drewg123 wrote: post #16

Unless I'm missing something, they seem to only have a monthly contribution model. There are many times where I find a content creator helpful (for example a video tutorial on how to fix my broken washing machine), and I'd like to reward them. But I don't want to do it monthly, as I'll probably never watch another thing from them. So I'd like to be able to easily leave a one-time tip. Can Patreon do this, and it's ju…

Choose the reward level, wait until the beginning of the next month (so it's paid) and then cancel. It takes more effort on your part but it can be done.

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Post by avian »

WikipediasBad wrote: post #323
vyrotek wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use Patreon for that. Evan You has one to fund development of Vue.js https://www.patreon.com/evanyou

Oh very cool. So coders do use patreon but they are a minority? Maybe that itself is a good startup idea.

Gratipay (formerly GitTip) used to do that. Not sure how they are doing these days. I haven't heard about them in a while.

https://gratipay.com

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