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Re: Germany's biggest Bitcoin exchange surrenders user data to the police

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Post by EpicEng » Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 8:44 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #19

jarman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but can verify the transactions to the drug site themselves Once you start selectively give out user data, you are basically giving out warrants yourself and acting as a judge.

And if you are allowed to do that and want to do it, why not? The purpose of a warrant is to verify that a judge has done due diligence and found the search to be justified, but if you check for yourself and come to the same conclusion, the warrant isn't really necessary.

Because you're almost certainly not qualified to make that determination.

Re: Germany's biggest Bitcoin exchange surrenders user data to the police

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Post by rad_gruchalski » Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 11:04 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #19

jarman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but can verify the transactions to the drug site themselves Once you start selectively give out user data, you are basically giving out warrants yourself and acting as a judge.

And if you are allowed to do that and want to do it, why not? The purpose of a warrant is to verify that a judge has done due diligence and found the search to be justified, but if you check for yourself and come to the same conclusion, the warrant isn't really necessary.

But if you check yourself what. By looking at their data? How would that be okay? I'm not putting words in your mouth, just looking for a logical conclusion.

Re: Germany's biggest Bitcoin exchange surrenders user data to the police

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Post by yorwba » Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 4:59 AM UTC

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #42

yorwba wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you are allowed to do that and want to do it, why not? The purpose of a warrant is to verify that a judge has done due diligence and found the search to be justified, but if you check for yourself and come to the same conclusion, the warrant isn't really necessary.

But if you check yourself what. By looking at their data? How would that be okay? I'm not putting words in your mouth, just looking for a logical conclusion.

If you look at their transaction history with your service, it's not just their data, it's also yours and you have every right to look at it.

Now what's morally ambiguous is then deciding to reveal that data to others, and if you did it indiscriminately for all customers I'd be against it. But on a small scale, I don't think it's so wrong.

Re: Germany's biggest Bitcoin exchange surrenders user data to the police

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Post by yAnonymous » Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 7:59 AM UTC

pantaril wrote: post #22

yAnonymous wrote: post #17

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>how do you even know that this account is dealing drugs other that Take a look at the transaction history. If there are transactions with known drug site wallets, give them the data they are asking for. Otherwise, request they get a warrant. If you are going to cooperate, I think that's the most reasonable way to go about it. Bitcoin exchanges are seen as dodgy anyway and they don't have a lobby to fight for them, s…

You usually don't know if the address is known drug site wallet, dark markets usually generate unique address for each transaction. Even if you do know it, you can't know if the user bought something illegal, there is also legal stuff sold on dark markets. Keeping everyone legal interests in mind means that you don't give personal data to police or anyone else without proper warrant.

The article mentions the specific site and it seems to deal only drugs. They don't keep the money at the generated address, but transfer it to another wallet I suppose?