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Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Corporation caught in a scandal over censoring political speech against the right? Better have the The Verge write a puff piece on them.

Which case are you referring to? Lauren Southern was literally attempting to block ships (thereby endangering life) so that goes beyond "speech" in my book.

Where did they say they wanted to block ships ? All I've seen is that they wanted to film & document the ONG's activities, to see if they are not engaging in human trafficking.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I have seen so many content creators go full time and create awesome work because Patreon gives them a format to incentivize their followers to pay them. The economics are beautiful — turns out just 1,000 people (a pittance on internet mass media websites) donating $5 a month will totally change the way you run your life. And even better, these artists are independent in a way no artist has ever been before. You’re n…

I have 75,000 followers on YouTube and roughly 8.5 million views. Most people don't contribute even if they love your content. At least that is what my experience has been.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I'm not a fan of the alt-right but the fact is that it's here to stay.

Probably true. So we fight them. It stinks and it sucks, but it's on all of us to do so to the best of our ability and those of us who were dealt a more fortunate set of life's lottery balls (and I say this as an affluent, straight, white, cis American) have a duty to use our good fortune to help others.

I want to help others. I also don't think it's a prerequisite to turn every majority white country minority white to help others.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I'd be curious how, in your model, you'd moderate personal behaviors to tune macro results between social harmony and everyone being a low level sociopath. Historically, peer pressure and social moores provided that functionality. Isn't there a Black Mirror episode about this with social capital? [+] [+] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive

> moderate personal behaviors to tune macro results between social harmony and everyone being a low level sociopath. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that. examples maybe?

At the lowest levels, balancing selfishness, vanity, the need for self-actualization, and the expression of empathy and compassion.

On one extreme, you have the Dalai Lama, the latest Pope, and Bernie Sanders. The other: the Kardashians, Kanye West, and Martin Shkreli.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I like patreon but at the same time I'm a bit uncomfortable with how the interaction aspect of it sometimes works. Lots of artists are essentially charging for interaction with them rather than a product. From the article: "In this system, it’s almost impossible to separate a work of art from its creator — or, at least, its creator’s public persona. Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a…

There is a tradeoff artists can make. If they make more or better material with their time rather than socializing online, they can attract more patronage that way. If they interact with their supporters, they can also see more participation that way.

Either can work.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Patreon is starting to take off for open source, too, which is great. I set one up and it offsets a good deal of the infrastructure costs for my projects. Many FOSS Patreons have pretty low figures - please go looking for them and support your tools!

Let us be honest though, github is bad enough that so many free software projects are using a proprietary web service for project organization. Having the primary source of proceeds to keep the project afloat also on a proprietary web service is really, really dangerous.

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I've seen Patreon kicking people off their platform for political reasons, so it is not decentralized, though certainly more so than alternatives existing before Patreon. The evolution will converge towards content creators being funded through decentralized crypto currency platforms so that the money cannot be prevented from getting to creators if someone wants to pay them. Something more along the lines of https://…

Yes, clearly Bitcoin is the only way Patreon can become a "good thing".

Was this serious or sarcastic? I agree with the sarcastic version, but I could also see the serious version being posted so I'm genuinely curious.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I have seen so many content creators go full time and create awesome work because Patreon gives them a format to incentivize their followers to pay them. The economics are beautiful — turns out just 1,000 people (a pittance on internet mass media websites) donating $5 a month will totally change the way you run your life. And even better, these artists are independent in a way no artist has ever been before. You’re n…

I patreon , it allows me to support podcasts and youtube producers that really wouldn't get the light of day otherwise. That said, patreon is centralised. What happens if you're a creator and that $2000 a month stops coming from patreon? I trust and believe in the now, but who knows where they'll be 5 or 10 years. PS. Patreon, please make a Japanese version of your site!

>What happens if you're a creator and that $2000 a month stops coming from patreon?

For now you sue them.

If they get large enough and it happens often enough some form of regulation will likely be enacted.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Lauren Southern. She was banned after throwing flares and attempting to block a ship (with no refugees on board) from leaving port to pick up refugees who she believes are being trafficked into Italy with the government's assistance. She was arrested for participation in this act of protest and then Patreon made the claim that her activities could have caused loss of life (which is ridiculous).

The alt-right is not "middle-of-the-road conservative". The alt-right is literal-not-figurative fascism with memes and, occasionally, good dress sense. If you consider white supremacists (oh, sorry, white nationalists (oh, sorry, ethno-nationalists )) to be "middle of the road conservatives," there is a profoundly deeper problem in your calculus.

> The alt-right is literal-not-figurative fascism

What gives you this impression?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Hate to sound pessimistic to your well-intentioned suggestion, but if someone prefers not to support a creator monthly/regularly, then they are unfortunately choosing not to support them sustainably. I feel strongly that to ask for one-off giving is to ask for a badly designed system. People can't dedicate their output to creating value for you when they're living off a tip-jar. Consistency is the key to backgroundin…

For the kinds of videos that I find most helpful and am willing to pay for (eg, how to fix my broken whatever), I imagine the creators would get a steady stream of one-time donations, as various people's $whatever broke, and they found the video. As of now, they get nothing, which has to be worse.

Not really, Patreon has nothing to do with people getting tips, they can use their affiliate links, click their ads or just donate the old way via paypal.
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