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Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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Would you please stop posting these cheap meta snipes to HN about HN? It's tedious, plus it's incongruent to diss a community while you're participating in it. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.

"plus it's incongruent to diss a community while you're participating in it." No. Your attitude here is the crappy one. Without being called out, a community will never grow. It's entirely appropriate to call out a community for the issues it has. And yes, the HN community has a HUGE problem with not recognizing sexism and racism in the industry. Far too many are willing to take the, "I don't see it, so it doesn't ex…

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Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14912009 and marked it off-topic.

I don't think discussing a leading cause of felonies is off-topic in a thread about employing felons.

It really is, because the more generic the tangent, the more force it has to carry off the entire thread.

IMO it's an important point that needs to be better understood. I wrote about it recently at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14917723 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14912821 if anyone's interested.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#533
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If you're an American, there are huge parts of the country where lacking a car is infeasible. But for the sake of argument, let's say you shutter your car. You can spend a ton of time walking to, and waiting on, public buses, time you can't use to study for a degree, or be with your kids. Maybe you rely on a friend's car, but then you miss out on last-minute shift opportunities, and your friend's transport problems b…

I'm not American, thankfully

National flamewar comments will get you banned here. Please don't do this again.

(Regardless of which nation, obviously.)

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#534
post #533
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I'm not American, thankfully

National flamewar comments will get you banned here. Please don't do this again. (Regardless of which nation, obviously.)

This guy has been hugely discourteous to me, why not ban him? Things like this are partly the reason I just want to delete my HN history and leave.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#535
post #528
post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you please stop posting these cheap meta snipes to HN about HN? It's tedious, plus it's incongruent to diss a community while you're participating in it. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.

"plus it's incongruent to diss a community while you're participating in it." No. Your attitude here is the crappy one. Without being called out, a community will never grow. It's entirely appropriate to call out a community for the issues it has. And yes, the HN community has a HUGE problem with not recognizing sexism and racism in the industry. Far too many are willing to take the, "I don't see it, so it doesn't ex…

Yes, agreed. A community that says it wants to be about equality and "meritocracy" would welcome the tough critique. Just like an elite athlete or an accomplished artist would welcome true feedback. Those who want to improve and ultimately excel in certain areas welcome vigorous crit., so they can incorporate that into their training and become better for it. We can't have a meritocracy without equality of opportunity; opportunity includes opportunity in every level of education, and yes within the hiring process. We can have the argument about "affirmative action" and how it might disadvantage a deserving white male who might not make it into the top 100 students at a med school because spaces were made for women and people of color, but then we would have to really think about the society we ultimately want to have. At some point, the rampant inequality needs to be aggressively tackled (with joy) and the knowledge that we are improving the system by promoting diversity and equality of opportunity at every level. I can't think of anything less tedious, as a previous commenter had mentioned. If one is actually interested in leveling the playing field, one would find a wealth of information (with a simple internet search)to support the idea that there is such sexism, racism, and ageism in tech. But the interest has to be there. Maybe more productively, one could examine one's own insecurities about why one would not want to support drastic measures that would help us all get closer to equality of opportunity. Because when people don't support rigorous and thoughtful critique in a discussion format, it really makes one wonder why they are so afraid that these ideas might be true.

And to the person who mentioned that my tone might be aggressive or somehow unpleasant: people have been saying that to the marginalized when they yelp in pain for centuries. Of course, no one wants to hear about how and whom they are actually hurting. They would rather those people play nice and exhibit a welcoming tone. I don't recall anyone worrying about their tone with respect to marginalized groups in tech. They rudely shoot them down, for the most part. That is why women leave tech in droves. And it ain't enough for us to shake our tiny fists by "not buying products" or whatever from these companies. (although, feel free to so) I'd rather the community know that there are actual people within their ranks who call bullshit. I'm sure there are the formerly incarcerated (remember Aaron Swartz would have been among these, as would Snowden, and Assange- so let's not forget about those people being considered "criminals" as well- just a reality check) women, people of color, veterans, and people over 35 in tech who read these threads and don't feel comfortable jumping in. I write here for them, hoping that one day, they will feel supported and comfortable speaking out.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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Thanks for sharing. I'm curious if you already knew the tech stuff before/while committing the crimes or did you learn all that after going through the system?

I was lucky. The department of corrections where I did my time provided community college courses. I started by getting my GED then taking basic courses such as writing, math, and social studies. I decided to major in business but changed my major later on to CIS (Computer Information Systems). Managed to accumulate two degrees while in prison: Associate degree in General Studies, and Associate of Science in CIS. The…

Cutting down on education in prisons seems to me like the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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I'd add that framing the hiring decision as charity ("giving someone a second chance") could be improved. I'd go for more of a "diamond in the rough" angle. "Find talent everyone else is missing."

Thank you for this great message. It so simply expresses a very basic, affirmative goal to which we aspire. With your permission, I will incorporate it into our site's narrative.

Of course!

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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post #536

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I was lucky. The department of corrections where I did my time provided community college courses. I started by getting my GED then taking basic courses such as writing, math, and social studies. I decided to major in business but changed my major later on to CIS (Computer Information Systems). Managed to accumulate two degrees while in prison: Associate degree in General Studies, and Associate of Science in CIS. The…

Cutting down on education in prisons seems to me like the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

A for-profit prison industry has no interest in solving the problem. See school-to-prison pipeline, where pupils are incarcerated for infractions in school.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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post #536

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Cutting down on education in prisons seems to me like the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

A for-profit prison industry has no interest in solving the problem. See school-to-prison pipeline, where pupils are incarcerated for infractions in school.

:(

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#540
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Nonsense. I disagree with many people on HN. The problem here is you lack the courage of your convictions to actually debate anybody.

But please don't make a bad subthread even worse by resorting to incivility.

Fair enough.
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