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Instagram daily use surpasses Snapchat
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#82The whole point of Snapchat is that it's not about sitting down, taking a high quality photo, editing it, etc. It's a messaging app meant for quick replies. You send someone something and they reply back. That's fundamentally different from Instagram's model of user interaction. It's like comparing time spent in iMessage to time spent on YouTube: it doesn't make sense.
I agree that Snapchat and IG are two different use cases. And I find myself annoyed at the constant stream of tech journos pushing the narrative of "there can only be one!". Email and SMS coexist in the same way that Snapchat and IG could coexist. I use each of these apps daily and for different reasons. Snap is probably way overvaluated currently, but that is a separate problem in my mind.
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#83At first glance I thought snap had more users than Instagram and that surprised me a lot. If it’s just the amount time users are using the app, I don’t know it should be that surprising if Instagram cloned snap’s feature. Unfortunately for Snap FB has a lot bigger pockets than them and so it’s unlikely they will ever relent.
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#84> If Facebook’s goal was stop Snap in its tracks, it’s largely succeeded with Instagram Stories. Snapchat’s monthly active user growth rate has plummeted from 17.2% per quarter to just 5%...
Does HN think that these two events are even related?
From my experience, the content I get via Instagram Stories is mostly from people I don't know but follow whereas Snapchat is still where most of the interactions with my friends happens. The products have similar features but the audience, especially being public-facing, is totally different in my experience.
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#85i feel old (in 30s) when i have problem to distinguish these two services, do I remember correctly that Instagram is just some photo albums for food (not sure what's difference from Google photos) and Snapchat is some chat with stickers for teenagers?
I don't use Twitter, Facebook or pretty much any social media (besides Reddit and HN) and I don't feel like i am missing on something.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Google intentionally slowed its search results by 10%, would people not spend more time on the site? Perhaps even to the tune of 10%? But would people suddenly love Google 10% more? As a more explicit example, Facebook used to allow you to type a friend's name into the search bar on desktop, and a card would come down (with other possible people too you could select/down-arrow to) so when you hit enter you would g…
Just a small reaction to your premise that slower search results would lead to more time spent on site: > https://doi.org/10.1145/2600428.2609627 > Impact of Response Latency on User Behavior in Web Search > Query response latency. : > In [18], the authors exposed a commercial search engine’s users to response time delays of varying magnitude and observed the impact of different levels of delay on users’ long-term se…
Anecdotally speaking, lots of applications intentionally slow down the user interactions as part of their UI.
Page / tab transitions and unnecessary animations are very in vogue.
Also consider the "pagination" model, Amazon and Google still use pages for their search results when they could do infinite scrolling a bit faster.
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#87> What happens, for example, if we recreate the structure of the brain on a computer by interacting silicon chips where you had interacting neurons? Would it be missing anything that’s missing in the mind? I’d like to think that a computer could be conscious. I don't think consciousness is reducible to a pattern of interactions in the brain, but I do think that if one reproduces that pattern of interactions in fine enough detail, one will reproduce consciousness.
Perfectly said. Consciousness is not reducible to a pattern of interaction in the brain because it's a system of brain+world that creates consciousness. The brain learns from the world first, only later it is capable of independent imagination and thinking. A brain never connected to the world would not be conscious. An AI connected to the world (or a simulation) could be conscious of the world it exists in, and of its own existence there.
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#88What do people think about "minutes per day" as a metric for success? I think it represents a fundamental misalignment of goals between users and the company. By this metric, the more of your waking life that can be taken, the better.
"Time on site/in app" is a strong indicator of revenue per user for apps that monetize through ads, and a fairly well correlated to time spent across all active users. I think advertising is a misalignment of goals between user and company, full stop. And if time on site is a way to realize more revenue from advertising, the creators of the platform will engineer ways of increasing time on site, and the further down…
"Let's demand technology that serves us, not advertising."
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#89The whole point of Snapchat is that it's not about sitting down, taking a high quality photo, editing it, etc. It's a messaging app meant for quick replies. You send someone something and they reply back. That's fundamentally different from Instagram's model of user interaction. It's like comparing time spent in iMessage to time spent on YouTube: it doesn't make sense.
Nope. Now the point of snapchat is to binge watch videos of other people. Snapchat sells ads the same way the media company does. So their KPI is time spent, like how a broadcast company determines ad rates. Their strategy is to detach the accountability of clicks or performance. You spend six figures with Snap to impress your brands to the same demo (Gen Z) that used to tune in to MTV (Gen X) and Youtube (Gen Y). As…
> ... (Gen Z) ... (Gen X) ... (Gen Y) ...
Did we just run out of letters to describe generations?
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#90What do people think about "minutes per day" as a metric for success? I think it represents a fundamental misalignment of goals between users and the company. By this metric, the more of your waking life that can be taken, the better.
"Time on site/in app" is a strong indicator of revenue per user for apps that monetize through ads, and a fairly well correlated to time spent across all active users. I think advertising is a misalignment of goals between user and company, full stop. And if time on site is a way to realize more revenue from advertising, the creators of the platform will engineer ways of increasing time on site, and the further down…
>"Time on site/in app" is a strong indicator of revenue per user for apps that monetize through ads
Why don't they just report revenue per user though?