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Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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From your original comment: In fact, despite the ideas of US prison overcrowding and for profit drive conviction rates...I'd argue the opposite, that it's very likely the employer has already hired individuals who have committed various "crimes" and could but simply don't have records. So, basically, you think everyone is violent criminal scum, and are happy to only discriminate against the ones who have a record as…

Based on anything I stated how do you conclude I "think all criminals are violent scum"? I'm an attorney, have defended people accused of crimes, and I too have a criminal record, so please check your bias. What I wrote is about a hypocritical practice that hiring managers engage in (rejection out right) when the reality is other employees they have hired and even themselves have engaged in the same acts, they just d…

I don't have any bias to check. I am basing my conclusions on your remarks. Perhaps those conclusions are inaccurate. But it is your framing that seems to come from an assumption of guilt.

This is neither accurate, nor effective marketing.

For some years, I was close to someone who spent three years in prison for their political activism and was questioned under torture. For this reason, I am keenly aware that whenever a corrupt government is overthrown, the first thing that happens is all the prisoners are set free on the assumption that they are political prisoners.

An awful lot of Americans are in jail for being "the wrong kind of people." I have spent the last 5.5 years on the receiving end of ridiculous, toxic classism and sexism. It has made me keenly aware of the systemic forces that make it impossible to become the "right kind of person" for an awful lot of people whose only real crime was being born at all.

A) When the system is this fucked up, yes, society needs to find an effective, constructive means to give its victims a pass, a do-over, and let time sort out which ones will make good use of a second chance and which won't.

B) Affirming their fundamental innocence is a better marketing strategy than suggesting to employers "your firm is already full of wolves in sheep's clothing, so might as well hire more wolves."

I don't have the link handy, but I read a good piece by a white guy who talked about his epiphany about racism and part of what he said was that there were countless times in his youth that he actually broke the law, was caught by the police and basically told "Go home before you hurt yourself, son." Had he been another color, he would have gone to jail for what are merely youthful indiscretions for privileged white males.

It does not help to tell people he is just as guilty as the colored people who got arrested. It is much more effective to say they are just as innocent as him, but got shafted. It makes them more trustworthy in the eyes of most people and it is a more dignified treatment of people whose dignity is one of the victims of their crime of being born one of the wrong people.

I hope that makes some sense. I am not at my best at the moment.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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post #300

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Unnecessarily bitchy defeatism aside, the answer to your question is the Democratic Party[1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/01/cory-...

It's neither, just correcting misconceptions. It's tiring to constantly hear people saying we're "making progress" while we continue to perpetuate the same policy problems that have obviously caused issues for decades and decades. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bill you mentioned only seems to deal with marijuana, which I don't think is how most people get drug felonies.

> Correct me if I'm wrong but the bill you mentioned only seems to deal with marijuana, which I don't think is how most people get drug felonies.

You'd be surprised. Lots of weed? Cash? Baggies? Scale? Intent. Felony. Civil forfeiture (State of California v. A bag of $25,000 in cash). Go directly to Chino. Do not pass go.

It's usually the intent to distribute that ends people, and that does happen a lot with marijuana. Simple possession is easier to wiggle out of these days, depending on where you are and if it isn't much. Over a half ounce of marijuana in Virginia used to be a few years in prison (not sure if it still is). I'm carrying over a half ounce on my person right now and it'd be fine. Jurisdiction sucks.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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You are so right on all your comments. Soon we'll be re-doing the entire site. Perhaps we can talk in several weeks?

I'd add that framing the hiring decision as charity ("giving someone a second chance") could be improved. I'd go for more of a "diamond in the rough" angle. "Find talent everyone else is missing."

Absolutely, I think many people would be surprised about the quantity of highly-educated, high-experienced, highly-talented felons there are in our society that are exactly just that, "Diamonds in the rough."

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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Hey Richard, love this idea. I firmly believe in the notion that once you've paid your debt to society you should be able to participate in society as anyone else would. That this is not the fact is atrocious to me. Do you need a remote full-stack programmer?

how is doing time "repaying a debt to society"? Seems to me incarceration is a proving ground to show you're no longer dangerous, _then_ one can begin to repay whatever injustices occurred?

That's not how it's framed in the US. Incarceration is purposefully made as horrible as possible (rape, beatings, inedible food, solitary confinement) to ensure full debt repayment prior to release.

I agree, it's disgusting, but that's the status quo.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#347
I just randomly came across this very relevant TED talk given by a prison inmate yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F89eycANUrQ

I definitely feel that American prison policy leans way too far on the side of moral judgement and retribution than rehabilitation. In my personal opinion, anyone who has served their term has already paid for their mistakes and we, as a society, should be more concerned with helping them get back on their feet than with further punishing them for their mistakes.

I also think the practice of denying former felons the right to vote is completely ridiculous. So if you commit a felony at 18, you can't vote even when you're a 100? What kind of sense does that make?

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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> positive-sexism What does that even mean? Isn't all sexism bad?

Sexism in favor of the people we're talking about. So, mainsteam thought views women as being the oppressed ones, but the study shows that women tend to get hired at a higher rate than men, simply by having a female name. Another example of positive-racism-- being a white dude visiting China, I got into night clubs without paying. :-/ But cab drivers also consistently added 50-100% onto the fare.

Maybe it'd be worded better as "reverse sexism"?

Implying that it's "positive" doesn't do any social justice but incites the us vs them, 0 sum game train of thought.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

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post #260

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Do you mind if I ask if you're a woman? IIRC there's pretty substantial hiring discrimination against men who claim to be homemakers (because it's less common so people assume that they're lying). The other side of the coin obviously being that women with kids are discriminated against in hiring due to assumptions that they'll be distracted by their family obligations.

Yes, I am a woman. No need to ask: It is listed in my profile. Also: I did not suggest a man call himself a homemaker. So, I am not sure what the point of your comment is.

> Also: I did not suggest a man call himself a homemaker. So, I am not sure what the point of your comment is.

Uh, I'm not sure where this hostility is coming from. Just because someone responds to your comment doesn't mean they're disagreeing with you. I was just adding the context for anyone who sees your comment and interprets it narrowly as thinking that putting 'homemaker' on their resume gap is a useful way to explain it away without understanding the pitfall for 50% of the workforce.

Re: Launch HN: 70MillionJobs (YC S17) – Job board for people with criminal records

#350
1/3 adults with a criminal record in a developed country seems absolutely insane to me.

Edit: Well I need to get off my horse because it seems to be similar here in the UK as well: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2002/apr/14/workandcareers...

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