By "formula" you mean fake milk?
Are We Experimenting on Our Children with Soy Formula?
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course. My daughter is 18 months old and fed exclusively with breast milk. We want to wean her soon, so we are looking for alternatives.
at 18 months she should be ready to switch over entirely. Soy would not be appropriate for a child unless she has milk allergies. Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development.
> Feed her whole milk, it's incredibly important for her brain development.
No, no it's not.
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#33Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!
>And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males?
There are no effects on male biology across a range of parameters tested. There have been many studies done on the effects of isoflavone ingestion on men. Long-term studies on adult men show very little effect. There are in my opinion only two important unanswered questions:
* there are few to no truly long-term studies of soy isoflavone intake in adolescent and pre-adolescent boys, particularly at high levels of intake, although there is of course some ethical concern in running such a study. Some studies in young men have shown small effects ( http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/3/584.long ).
* studies do not tend to measure effects which are related to the genitalia and sexuality. In general, they only measure hormone levels, which are merely a proxy for real effects, and may not be a reliable one.
To address this problem I have been sort of sketching a small-scale machine that processes unshelled hempseeds into hemp milk or butter. Unshelled hempseeds are the only actual food (i.e. not an extract/powder) on store shelves with a high protein content that aren't soy or animal products and aren't crazy expensive. Shelling hempseeds mechanically, without crushing, is extremely difficult, but the kernel sinks in water, whereas the shell floats, allowing for a very easy separation if the seeds are crushed. That got off topic fast. Anyway:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sue_Duval/publication/2...
However, there are probably effects resulting from activation of estrogen receptor beta. The reason is that activation of ERB is known to suppress prostate cancer, and soy consumption also suppresses prostate cancer:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.21266/full
Studies do not generally look for behavioral effects of activation of ERB by soy isoflavones because of the difficulty of measuring those. However, in some cases, meat consumption actually resembles soy consumption:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1400.long
>In conclusion, our data suggest that the ability of Caucasian men to produce equol is favorably influenced by the long-term consumption of high amounts of soy and the consumption of meat.
Since a great deal of animal feed is soy-based this phenomenon may have a simple explanation. However, dairy does not cause this effect (animals' bodies may be trying to avoid intoxicating their young).
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#34That whole article is written like irresponsible click-bait journalism. After raising four kids I can take shit like this with a grain of salt, but as a new parent I would've freaked out and overreacted. When two of my kids were babies they had bad reactions to normal formula, and weren't gaining enough weight with breastmilk. Soy formula was the only other option and not giving it to them likely would've been worse…
One of my kids was allergic to soy and caesin (not lactose). So, we had to go on a hunt for low caesin/caesin free formulas, which aren't available readily in the US. We found this one called HiP organic which satisfied our need - it's a German brand.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?
Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...
This is what is written in your link, "Only 13 percent manage to breast-feed exclusively for the six months that are recommended for a baby's health". If there was no formula do you think there would be a 87% mortality rate for babies?
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#36Clearly worth investigation, but when I hear arguments about soy being a serious endocrine disruptor, I can't help but wonder about the hundreds of millions of people throughout Asia eating it daily...
Asians who eat much soy probably have evolved a different response to it than other populations. Similar to how northern Europeans evolved better lactose digestion than the rest of the world.
Probably? On what basis?
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's pretty common knowledge that soy contains phytoestrogens, which behave similar to estrogen.
It's less common knowledge that this is a myth.
Soybeans contain phytoestrogens. The myths, truths, and unknowns revolve around how phytoestrogens affect humans.
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#38Clearly worth investigation, but when I hear arguments about soy being a serious endocrine disruptor, I can't help but wonder about the hundreds of millions of people throughout Asia eating it daily...
Many of the forms of soy eaten in Asia are fermented or otherwise chemically changed to the point that their negative effects could be less pronounced. Soy sauce, miso and natto are some of many examples.
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#39Most animal feed is soy-based. What effect does that have? Also, why would a vegan/vegetarian be against breast milk exactly? And finally: does anyone have any info on the effect of large soy consumption on males? I've been vegetarian for 6 months and trying to go vegan (mostly for past 1.5 months) so my soy consumption is at an all time high. Thanks!
Those vegans are the very few you read about in newspapers every 3 years. They became began for health reasons and take it to the extreme, and somehow manage to convince themselves that even breast milk is bad.
Nobody has actually met someone like that,yet they are the ones people think of when they hear the words vegan and parent in the same sentence.
On soy: depending on you estrogen levels soy can heighten you estrogen activity if it is low,or lower it if it is high due to the isoflavones (phytoestrogens) it contains.
Cows milk will definitely heighten your estrogen activity,even though most of those hormones doesn't survive the environments in our stomachs,because that estrogen is highly active even in humans.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Human breast milk? You know, as nature intended?
Only 13% of mothers are able to provide breast milk for 100% of their child's needs for the first 6 months, according to NPR. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/23/22534912...
I think I understand the problem, but I think "able to provide breast milk" seems very open to interpretation. Babies are disruptive even before you have to pump or feed every 4 hours. But if you stop even a few times the body will stop providing milk. If your schedule doesn't support that (or you screw up occasionally) it will have a big effect.
However, that really means that you're not willing (ex a few percent who would have had dead children) to do what would have been required a few hundred years ago. Formula for a majority is a convenience... and has been since we used wet nurses and cow's milk.