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Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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This is easy for Uber to fix. The surge (or the calculation of drivers) just needs to be delayed by 15mins or so. He can still turn off his app, but now he'll have to do it for more than 15mins, thus potentially losing 1 or 2 rides.

Increasing the latency with which you respond to conditions seems like it comes with real downsides. They should just figure out a way to punish this practice.

Maybe a delay before you can start driving after each log in encouraging drivers to stay signed in.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is easy for Uber to fix. The surge (or the calculation of drivers) just needs to be delayed by 15mins or so. He can still turn off his app, but now he'll have to do it for more than 15mins, thus potentially losing 1 or 2 rides.

Uber presumably takes a fixed cut of the fare, so they have at least some incentive to look the other way during surge collusion. If the drivers do it simultaneously to both Lyft and Uber then both companies will be happy to see this going on.

This is not in Uber's interest. From their perspective the purpose of the surge is to get more cars on the road. They don't care about drivers, they care about fares (riders).

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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post #11

People game the system. Always. Have learned that for years when it comes to safety systems. Even uneducated people become very intelligent when it comes to gaming the system to their advantage. It is always a cat and rat game between technical adjustments and when people find a way to game the system again.

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Say "agent" has always gotten me a real person when the 0 or the */# buttons don't work.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#104
How is this unethical? This is the exact point of these marketplaces - The drivers are saying "I won't accept a fare at these levels", Uber is responding by raising the price (and it's pretty transparent to consumers - The whole point of "surge pricing" is to incentivize drivers that would otherwise not be on the road). The multiplier framework is pretty clear upfront when you're paying more.

This sounds like a fix to one of my major complaints about Uber. The prices are too low. I like cheap rides, but I also like knowing that the people who are giving me rides (and providing me services, selling me goods, making those goods, etc) are making living wages.

And, to some level - This is collective bargaining. This is precisely what Unionists want, without all of the mess involved in actual unions. The drivers are collectively demanding higher wages, and Uber is responding.

On the other hand: There's a good reason we're seeing this pushback. Uber is a shitty, predatory company, and has relentlessly worked to drive down driver wages well beyond sustainable rates. (It's also a shitty company to it's full time employees, to which I will attest.)

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#105
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is easy for Uber to fix. The surge (or the calculation of drivers) just needs to be delayed by 15mins or so. He can still turn off his app, but now he'll have to do it for more than 15mins, thus potentially losing 1 or 2 rides.

Uber presumably takes a fixed cut of the fare, so they have at least some incentive to look the other way during surge collusion. If the drivers do it simultaneously to both Lyft and Uber then both companies will be happy to see this going on.

As far as I know, Uber does not take a cut on surge pricing. The extra money goes straight to the driver.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

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post #6

I'm somewhat surprised no app has popped up to be the driver private peer to peer network. For chat, news, stats, and automating things like this.

Traditional means of communication seem to be sufficient, between driver forums and whatsapp groups.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#107
post #25

Don't need to do much research. Just read the Uber driver fora. They talk about it openly. Still, even with a huge surge, Uber is 1/2 to 1/10th the price of a cab in my city.

> Still, even with a huge surge, Uber is 1/2 to 1/10th the price of a cab in my city. This summarizes why the model would continue to work. It's similar to low-cost airlines: most of us hate them, but most of us still use them.

Main difference being uber is literally the same experience compared to a regular cab (most of the time), whereas a low cost airline is horribly uncomfortable (read: spirit) and charges for everything.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#108
I use Uber pass fairly regular on my commute to work. One other minor unrelated thing I have seen is if the commute is within On talking to couple of drivers on a few occasions they confessed that they do this to filter out folks asking for lower mile rides!!

edit: This is obviously not in high uber/lyft density zone like a downtown SF where one can assume most of the rides endup being in the 2 mile radius.

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#109

I use Uber pass fairly regular on my commute to work. One other minor unrelated thing I have seen is if the commute is within On talking to couple of drivers on a few occasions they confessed that they do this to filter out folks asking for lower mile rides!! edit: This is obviously not in high uber/lyft density zone like a downtown SF where one can assume most of the rides endup being in the 2 mile radius.

I am not sure about this.

I drove Uber for a month or so, and use to love short rides because:

1. I would stay in the region of my choice

2. They would help me reach my bonus # of rides targets

Re: Uber drivers gang up to cause surge pricing, research says

#110

I use Uber pass fairly regular on my commute to work. One other minor unrelated thing I have seen is if the commute is within On talking to couple of drivers on a few occasions they confessed that they do this to filter out folks asking for lower mile rides!! edit: This is obviously not in high uber/lyft density zone like a downtown SF where one can assume most of the rides endup being in the 2 mile radius.

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