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⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Has anyone here tried bcachefs ( http://bcachefs.org/ ) for some of the same use cases as btrfs? What do people think of its current state?

Looks neat. Nobody uses it though and LKML has zero discussion on the announcements.

However, HN has a previous thread on it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12410798

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Deprecated? In favour of what? Will Redhat too (like Ubuntu) start shipping ZFS?

I am curious as to the same. The document says

> Red Hat will continue to invest in future technologies to address the use cases of our customers, specifically those related to snapshots, compression, NVRAM, and ease of use.

but it's unclear what this means exactly.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #9

Has anyone here tried bcachefs ( http://bcachefs.org/ ) for some of the same use cases as btrfs? What do people think of its current state?

You'd need to read up on it but the TL;DR i got from previous comments was that previously it was being funded by a company that wasn't 100% aware of the entire situation around it (they used it in their commercial product, management didn't fully understand it was being released as open source, though I also understand they didn't own the rights to the entire code base so basically that was necessary effectively). T…

OT, but I think you meant "hearsay-ish"

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #9

Has anyone here tried bcachefs ( http://bcachefs.org/ ) for some of the same use cases as btrfs? What do people think of its current state?

You'd need to read up on it but the TL;DR i got from previous comments was that previously it was being funded by a company that wasn't 100% aware of the entire situation around it (they used it in their commercial product, management didn't fully understand it was being released as open source, though I also understand they didn't own the rights to the entire code base so basically that was necessary effectively). T…

>I'd encourage you to research it further!

On that note, their Patreon is a better primer than the website is: https://www.patreon.com/bcachefs

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Deprecated? In favour of what? Will Redhat too (like Ubuntu) start shipping ZFS?

My best guess is XFS coupled with Permabit (which they just bought and will open source) compression and dedupe services. Probably layered on an enhanced mdraid too.

I'm guessing that the ZFS licensing hairball is a bridge too far for even Red Hat, so they'll cobble together equivalent-ish functionality - even if it's not anywhere near as elegant as ZFS's integral data production and reduction.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Deprecated? In favour of what? Will Redhat too (like Ubuntu) start shipping ZFS?

I supposed their upgrade path is... * Make fresh backups * Verify the backups * Re-install and use the backups

Basically. Those steps should be done regardless of FS. I heard this on a podcast recently but if you are not doing that you end up with "schrodinger backups"

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

>It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL?

Hopefully a lot because, like it or not, RHEL puts a ton of work into the linux kernel and other userland linux tools. We need them to stick around.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #18

It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

>It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Hopefully a lot because, like it or not, RHEL puts a ton of work into the linux kernel and other userland linux tools. We need them to stick around.

As do others and they were one of the main systemd backers. Still doesn't answer the question.

If I'd left out my preference, probably would have had fewer downvotes.

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