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Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by bluGill »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #149
contingencies wrote: post #123

Why not fold it and move to Bitcoin-only donations? The authorities will have nothing to chase, the problem can't re-occur, accounting will be transparent, and accountants will not be required in future. Seriously, Dutch should start a petition against their tax authorities for victimizing an open source project.

> Why not fold it and move to Bitcoin-only donations? I'm a huge advocate for Bitcoin, but this is a terrible idea. They're trying to support staff and the last thing you want to do in that circumstance is to limit the potential donor pool. I also don't see how changing the currency of the problematic transactions changes the tax implications.

In fact changing currency doesn't change tax implications if you intend to be legal. If you want to be illegal and risk not getting noticed you can hide behind bitcoin but the first auditor will notice this and report "I don't know how much, but there is tax fraud here so lets give maximum fines".

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by Facens »

boudewijnrempt wrote: post #18
sddfd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would I dontate? The site seems down atm.

It's very slow... The hackernews effect, I'm afraid. Internationally, paypal is easiest: just use foundation@krita.org. Otherwise, for people in the EU, our bank account is ING, BIC: INGBNL2A, IBAN: NL72INGB0007216397 .

What about Project of the month on www.unixstickers.com/donations ? I can help

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by [deleted] »

bjpbakker wrote: post #42
rplnt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not supporting the software but bad practices resulting in fines and fees. But there's hoping a lesson was learned. It would be a shame if something like this damaged the product.

Boudewijn Rempt replied elsewhere in this thread with a little more details [1]. After reading this, I don't think the fines are based on bad practices by Krita, but rather on the over-complicated Dutch tax system. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14899324

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Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by r1ch »

I've been thinking about creating a Dutch foundation for one of the open source projects I work on in order to provide a legal entity to collect donations and apply for services like code signing in a organization name. This makes it a whole lot scarier!

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by babuskov »

Bromskloss wrote: post #139

I had no idea that there even existed a foundation or that the development used money.

Maybe they should add a popup dialog that shows up every 100th time you run the program and tell users about it. Something like "Hey, you started Krita for the 200th time. Please consider donating a small amount to help the further development" and a link to the donation page.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by keithpeter »

jordigh wrote: post #136
sandGorgon wrote: post #132

Can I buy something rather than donate ? Its hard for me to donate using my company account - but very easy to buy stuff. It doesnt matter even if its a license to email you 10 times a year.

I hear this all the time with Octave too. What exactly constitutes a purchase? How can we help you fool your company into thinking that you're buying something?

https://www.rstudio.com/products/RStudio/

How RStudio do it.

They provide 'priority support' by email in return for an annual license fee. They also do something about the AGPL license that they use with RStudio source code.

Not sure if this helps any and it might be worth finding out what kind of legal entity is involved &c

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by boudewijnrempt »

Fej wrote: post #146
boudewijnrempt wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure: we have a shop full of stuff: https://krita.org/en/support-us/shop/ (though the website is still being hammered...)

If only you sold a KiKi plushie or print... (so cute)

We looked into creating plushies, but unless you order them in lots of 1000, they are incredibly expensive to make. And since plushies are bulky, also very expensive to ship!

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by kgwgk »

mikekchar wrote: post #169
KayEss wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about things imported to the EU from outside the EU. Do you really pay VAT in europe on services you buy in the US? Or in Asia?

The problem (at leas in Japan) is the other way around. If I export an service from Japan to another country, I have to pay the Japanese equivalent of VAT. The importer does not generally have to pay (but I guess it depends on the place) because it has already been paid. The problem for the Krita foundation was that their employee (who was outside of the EU) was doing consulting work through Krita. It didn't matter t…

I think you got it completely wrong. He was not an employee. He was providing a service to the foundation and sending them an invoice. I guess that if he had been in the EU instead of Russia, they would have noticed earlier that they were required to pay also the VAT. As he was in Russia, they had to account for the VAT owed to the tax authorities for this imported service themselves but they didn't.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by davidgerard »

JakiesKonto wrote: post #117
gghh wrote: post #17

I'd like to drop a note on how much I appreciate Krita. I'm not an artist by any mean, I'm a programmer and while I think I write/draw/sketch a lot on paper. A few months ago I switched from paper to digital hand-writing and bought an old Wacom Intuos drawing tablet. I'm on Linux and Krita works great with a stylus; very comfortable and intuitive, I haven't looked back.

same attitude but im still missing that Wacom, thx for info about linux

Huion are good as well, and very cheap.
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