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New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

untog wrote: post #7
jasonkostempski wrote: post #3

Handling a smart phone is already stressful enough. You can't touch the entire front of phone in fear of accidentally tapping something, even if the screen is off because it might turn on at any moment. With tap to wake you have to worry about just bumping it and with facial expressions you'd literally need to be concerned about just looking at it funny.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

It's to replace (or supplement) TouchID. Probably also useful for AR stuff down the road.

I was skeptical, but I have a friend who has a similar thing running on his Windows box and it works surprisingly well.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by la_oveja »

majewsky wrote: post #8
qqg3 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Ever used an Android device? Tap to wake is super useful and makes perfect sense if no physical home button.

The only thing that annoys me is that there is no reverse tap-to-wake. 1. Double-tap on the screen. Lockscreen appears. 2. Check the clock. 3. Fumble annoyedly until finding the power button to turn the screen off.

In my android if you double-tap the notification bar it'll lock the device.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by canuckintime »

canuckintime wrote: post #2

Any new UI innovations that isn't already done in Android?

Donwvotes? Alright let me reframe the question:

Are iOS and Android continuing to converging on the same features? What new innovations can be found in the mature mobile market or should be look to other form factors?

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by kyriakos »

majewsky wrote: post #8
qqg3 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Ever used an Android device? Tap to wake is super useful and makes perfect sense if no physical home button.

The only thing that annoys me is that there is no reverse tap-to-wake. 1. Double-tap on the screen. Lockscreen appears. 2. Check the clock. 3. Fumble annoyedly until finding the power button to turn the screen off.

Double tap on notification bar turns the screen off on most Android phones.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by jsgo »

canuckintime wrote: post #13
canuckintime wrote: post #2

Any new UI innovations that isn't already done in Android?

Donwvotes? Alright let me reframe the question: Are iOS and Android continuing to converging on the same features? What new innovations can be found in the mature mobile market or should be look to other form factors?

I'm sure there are new things coming but the era of gamechanging (or at least gimmicks that felt gamechanging) is probably near an end.

That said, I find nothing wrong with Apple adding features from Android (and vice versa) where it fits the device. The only thing I miss about the HTC One M8 I had was that I could double tap the screen to wake it (that rounded back loved sliding in the car. Reminded me of the iPhone 3G/3GS. Kind of disliked the phone outside of the double tap to wake and the speakers)

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

WrkInProgress wrote: post #6
jasonkostempski wrote: post #3

Handling a smart phone is already stressful enough. You can't touch the entire front of phone in fear of accidentally tapping something, even if the screen is off because it might turn on at any moment. With tap to wake you have to worry about just bumping it and with facial expressions you'd literally need to be concerned about just looking at it funny.

Tap to wake usually either requires more pressure than an accidental bump or requires a quick double tap. That is how it has been implemented in the Android phones I've used so far.

The Apple watch has tap to wake, I find myself accidentally triggering it a lot. If I cross my arms and I'm wearing short sleeves, I often accidentally start a stopwatch.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by ioulian »

untog wrote: post #7
jasonkostempski wrote: post #3

Handling a smart phone is already stressful enough. You can't touch the entire front of phone in fear of accidentally tapping something, even if the screen is off because it might turn on at any moment. With tap to wake you have to worry about just bumping it and with facial expressions you'd literally need to be concerned about just looking at it funny.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

I once read something about games or ads using facial recognition to get a better feedback about how their game/ad is performing. (I think it was Kinect).

Developers can then check what levels are fun to play, and what are a chore. That way they can optimize their future games, or even change the level architecture based on the emotional level of the player.

I think you can apply this strategy to ads too, to learn what kind of ad an user likes or dislikes, so they can target the ads a little bit better/easier.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by potatolicious »

untog wrote: post #7
jasonkostempski wrote: post #3

Handling a smart phone is already stressful enough. You can't touch the entire front of phone in fear of accidentally tapping something, even if the screen is off because it might turn on at any moment. With tap to wake you have to worry about just bumping it and with facial expressions you'd literally need to be concerned about just looking at it funny.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

The rumor mill suggests that the face detect is used for authentication, and is there because Apple hasn't been able to get the fingerprint sensor to read through the screen, and they need a quick-unlock feature like TouchID.

I hope it works - I rather like TouchID and would be disappointed to have it replaced by something crappier.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by untog »

ioulian wrote: post #17
untog wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

I once read something about games or ads using facial recognition to get a better feedback about how their game/ad is performing. (I think it was Kinect). Developers can then check what levels are fun to play, and what are a chore. That way they can optimize their future games, or even change the level architecture based on the emotional level of the player. I think you can apply this strategy to ads too, to learn wh…

> I think you can apply this strategy to ads too, to learn what kind of ad an user likes or dislikes, so they can target the ads a little bit better/easier.

Which is exactly why I will refuse to give any facial recognition data to third party apps.

Re: New iPhone leaks show tap to wake, attention detection, and virtual home button

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Post by untog »

potatolicious wrote: post #18
untog wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really - there's a reason why the Android phones that have tap to wake require two taps in quick succession, or similar. It's very difficult to accidentally trigger it. The facial recognition stuff seems odd to me, in the sense that I can't really figure out what it would be used for (aside from a silly smile detector in the camera app), but hopefully it'll be locked behind permission prompts (or barely accessibl…

The rumor mill suggests that the face detect is used for authentication, and is there because Apple hasn't been able to get the fingerprint sensor to read through the screen, and they need a quick-unlock feature like TouchID. I hope it works - I rather like TouchID and would be disappointed to have it replaced by something crappier.

I agree - I think Touch ID is fantastic. It would be a huge shame to lose it in the pursuit of cleaner lines and a better look.
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