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Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by jordigh »

sandGorgon wrote: post #150
jordigh wrote: post #148

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And your company will be okay with buying, say, a 500 USD sticker?

Yes. This is what people don't understand. I call it "gratitude-ware". You give me an invoice, and I will pay you 500$ for a pixel on a page.

That's all you need? An invoice? I don't need to form a company or send you tax forms? I can make an invoice rather easily in LaTeX.

So, can I do that? Add a note under the donation page that says, "if you need an invoice for your donation, email us here"?

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by Chris2048 »

boudewijnrempt wrote: post #21
Chris2048 wrote: post #16

Did the same accountant that advised them in the first place bag the 4k for cleaning up the mess?

Definitely not. When we got the notification, I asked Ton Roosendaal which accountant the Blender Foundation uses, and approached them. My thinking was, they at least had experience with one open source organization.

Ah, good :-)

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by sandGorgon »

jordigh wrote: post #151
sandGorgon wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. This is what people don't understand. I call it "gratitude-ware". You give me an invoice, and I will pay you 500$ for a pixel on a page.

That's all you need? An invoice? I don't need to form a company or send you tax forms? I can make an invoice rather easily in LaTeX. So, can I do that? Add a note under the donation page that says, "if you need an invoice for your donation, email us here"?

I submit the invoice you give me to my tax authority. Depending on where in the world you are, governments do check this stuff (and share it between themselves ).

I would urge you NOT to do this. Setting an invoicable entity shouldn't be hard - I'm in India and it's not hard here, and we are fairly at the bottom of the Ease of Doing Business listings .

Sidekiq Pro uses Plasso - I'm sure there are tons of alternatives where I don't have to email you for an invoice

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by Tyrek »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #131
Sujan wrote: post #79

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So it doesn't work like this? A: Hey B, how do we have to set up our company/foundation so this doesn't blog up and we have to pay non-sensical taxes only because of the way we are set up? B: Do it this way: ... (later) Z: A, you have to pay taxes because your setup is strange and makes no sense to our rules. B: Damn, we're liable for the bad advice we gave... (honest question)

No. Legally, the hired professional is an advisor. The board/management are collectively responsible for picking a good advisor and double-checking his/her recommendations. Bottom line: no one takes responsibility for anything (unless they're on the board) and you are on the hook for everything. This also applies to lawyers, property professionals, medical professionals, engineers, architects, and so on. Of course th…

There's no reason why this is outrageously unfair. An external consultant is only held to an advisory standard because they are external - they are not party to the detailed nuances that management may have inadvertently or deliberately concealed.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by sandGorgon »

jordigh wrote: post #136
sandGorgon wrote: post #132

Can I buy something rather than donate ? Its hard for me to donate using my company account - but very easy to buy stuff. It doesnt matter even if its a license to email you 10 times a year.

I hear this all the time with Octave too. What exactly constitutes a purchase? How can we help you fool your company into thinking that you're buying something?

It's so easy for organisations like Octave to sell stuff to companies that it blows my mind why you don't.

Octave Pro would simply be a support license to email you 10 times a year. Or the right to create 10 bugs per year on a bug tracker.

So easy to get past accounting. A plushie would be hard.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by boudewijnrempt »

wjvdhoek wrote: post #143
buster wrote: post #47

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You're right. Although i don't use it, i just spent a few euros :)

I'd love to find out how much is raised via HN :) I donated a few euros as well.

That's a bit hard to figure out, since paypal doesn't track that. The total donated since the story came out is 3159.95 euros.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by jordigh »

sandGorgon wrote: post #155
jordigh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear this all the time with Octave too. What exactly constitutes a purchase? How can we help you fool your company into thinking that you're buying something?

It's so easy for organisations like Octave to sell stuff to companies that it blows my mind why you don't. Octave Pro would simply be a support license to email you 10 times a year. Or the right to create 10 bugs per year on a bug tracker. So easy to get past accounting. A plushie would be hard.

It's not easy. Or if it is, would you do it for us? There's really no "us", it's just a bunch of people together on the internet. Except for write access to our website, you're as qualified and authorised to do the legwork as I am. Even receiving donations is complicated, which is why we're grateful that the FSF does it for us.

I've also heard mixed reports about whether this would help with a revenue stream or not. I remember hearing organisations that set up this fake-purchase process but didn't really get that much more money than just plain donations.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by wooter »

gcp wrote: post #104
ralfn wrote: post #100

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This is a rule everywhere, in every nation with any serious tax system - otherwise it is a big loop hole for everyone and no taxes at all would be collected. Example: a dutch company sells a product to dutch consumers. They have to pay VAT. However what if they setup a company in another country that first buys the products for 0.001 cents and then sells the products back for full price to the consumer. Most, if not…

The EU VAT system was overhauled very recently (VAT rate of buyer, not seller) exactly because many businesses were "moving" to low VAT countries like Luxembourg.

So dumb.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by skrebbel »

boudewijnrempt wrote: post #18
sddfd wrote: post #15

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How would I dontate? The site seems down atm.

It's very slow... The hackernews effect, I'm afraid. Internationally, paypal is easiest: just use foundation@krita.org. Otherwise, for people in the EU, our bank account is ING, BIC: INGBNL2A, IBAN: NL72INGB0007216397 .

Thanks, direct bank is way easier for me than PayPal. Just donated!
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