Just a quick reminder, if everyone here donates just 3-5$, the expenses will be paid in no time :)
Krita is a great software, and even though I'm not an artist it's worth supporting.
Krita Foundation in Trouble
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought fraud involves intent to deceive. Seems like they made a mistake, and they aren't trying to avoid the bill.
Splitting a company in two so you can avoid paying taxes is not an attempt to deceive? Is it horrible when Apple uses Ireland to avoid taxes, but OK if KDE does it?
Well, that's what the tax inspector suggested we do...
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#13That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?
Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff. There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction? And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes…
> You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff.
That's not true in the for example the UK, where there are a couple of corporate structures that allow you to trade as a non-profit.
And there are rules about registering for VAT: https://www.gov.uk/vat-charities/registration
https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/calculate-turnover
VAT is complex, and it seems the advice they got wasn't robust.
Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought fraud involves intent to deceive. Seems like they made a mistake, and they aren't trying to avoid the bill.
Splitting a company in two so you can avoid paying taxes is not an attempt to deceive? Is it horrible when Apple uses Ireland to avoid taxes, but OK if KDE does it?
This is using the tax system as it's meant to be used. This isn't doing anything weird to aggressively avoid tax.
Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble
#15Just a quick reminder, if everyone here donates just 3-5$, the expenses will be paid in no time :) Krita is a great software, and even though I'm not an artist it's worth supporting.
How would I dontate? The site seems down atm.
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#16Did the same accountant that advised them in the first place bag the 4k for cleaning up the mess?
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#17I'd like to drop a note on how much I appreciate Krita. I'm not an artist by any mean, I'm a programmer and while I think I write/draw/sketch a lot on paper. A few months ago I switched from paper to digital hand-writing and bought an old Wacom Intuos drawing tablet. I'm on Linux and Krita works great with a stylus; very comfortable and intuitive, I haven't looked back.
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#18Just a quick reminder, if everyone here donates just 3-5$, the expenses will be paid in no time :) Krita is a great software, and even though I'm not an artist it's worth supporting.
How would I dontate? The site seems down atm.
It's very slow... The hackernews effect, I'm afraid. Internationally, paypal is easiest: just use foundation@krita.org.
Otherwise, for people in the EU, our bank account is ING, BIC: INGBNL2A, IBAN: NL72INGB0007216397 .
Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble
#19That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?
Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff. There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction? And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes…
What defines a non-profit is that none of the income it generates should go to members, directors, or officers; and not that it can't sell stuff. [0] Most if not all non-profits I know sell stuff to pay the bills.
[0]: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/non-profit_organizations
Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would I dontate? The site seems down atm.
It's very slow... The hackernews effect, I'm afraid. Internationally, paypal is easiest: just use foundation@krita.org. Otherwise, for people in the EU, our bank account is ING, BIC: INGBNL2A, IBAN: NL72INGB0007216397 .
I hope this (the "Hacker News effect") doesn't bump up your hosting costs as that's the last thing you'd need.
For what it's worth, I've donated. :)