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Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by Jonnax »

That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient.

But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do?

Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

#4

Post by _wmd »

Jonnax wrote: post #2

That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?

No, they can be slippery as all hell. Ask a question by e-mail, expect a definitive yes/no answer, instead receive a phone call that's instantly claimed to be "off the record", and receive a parable about a nameless other customer who had this one situation this one time.

Chances are the accountancy firm had never set up a charity before and has misunderstood the constraints, and chances are also high that they won't be liable for the problem caused without some long drawn out struggle.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

#5

Post by mrkrabo »

Jonnax wrote: post #2

That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?

Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff.

There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction?

And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes. This is the kind of stuff HN abhors... ooops it's not Amazon, it's Krita! Then let's allow it!!!

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

#7

Post by boudewijnrempt »

mrkrabo wrote: post #5
Jonnax wrote: post #2

That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?

Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff. There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction? And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes…

Well, actually there is complexity. We did pay the VAT over everything we sold, of course. That was simple.

What we didn't do was pay VAT in the Netherlands over the money we sent Dmitry for his work in Russia. If the Foundation had been a company, we would have had to pay that VAT in the Netherlands, but would have claimed it back -- net result, 0. If the foundation had never sold anything, so not been company-like, there wouldn't have been VAT due. Because it was a mix, the tax people wanted the full VAT paid, which could not have been reclaimed. In short: you're enough like a company that the VAT gets transfered, not enough like a company that you can claim it back. Even the accountants found that complex and disputable...

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

#9

Post by nekopa »

mrkrabo wrote: post #5
Jonnax wrote: post #2

That's really sad to hear. With how complex laws are, it's scary that going to a professional may not be sufficient. But when you're totally unfamiliar with what the requirements are what can you do? Do large law/accountancy firms give a guarantee for their advice in the case that it was incorrect?

Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff. There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction? And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes…

I thought fraud involves intent to deceive. Seems like they made a mistake, and they aren't trying to avoid the bill.

Re: Krita Foundation in Trouble

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Post by mrkrabo »

nekopa wrote: post #9
mrkrabo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say what you will but this is simply fraud. If they were selling stuff, they should've collected and paid the VAT for Dmitry. You are NOT a non-profit if you sell stuff. There is absolutely no complexity about this. Didn't they see anything wrong with selling stuff without collecting the VAT from every transaction? And the best part: they are now separating the sales from the foundation so they can avoid paying taxes…

I thought fraud involves intent to deceive. Seems like they made a mistake, and they aren't trying to avoid the bill.

Splitting a company in two so you can avoid paying taxes is not an attempt to deceive? Is it horrible when Apple uses Ireland to avoid taxes, but OK if KDE does it?
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