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Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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It's like Rudd and Abbott are competing in which will come up with more ridiculous notion. And you'd think they would choose someone competent for bloody home secretary and shadow home secretary respectively.

There hasn't been a competent Home Sec since ... what ... Ken Clarke perhaps? Why should they start now.

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#12
I feel like the people who understand encryption and privacy advocates (myself included) are not engaging enough (or maybe effectively enough) with the public in communicating the concerns around trying to 'backdoor' encryption or giving up more of our privacy.

While I think these political statements are often ridiculous, they actually have widespread public support, if my cohort of friends and family are anything to go by.

Do we have people who are better communicators? I don't think even Cory Doctorow's posts/talks are aimed at the non-technical audience.

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> "However, there is a problem in terms of the growth of end-to-end encryption. "It’s a problem for the security services and for police who are not, under the normal way, under properly warranted paths, able to access that information.” What surprises me about this argument, is that their stance is that terrorists are accidentally starting to use encryption. So, by consequence, that in the past terrorists simply did…

The vast majority of terrorists are clowns who, if they happen to use encryption at all, will mess up infosec in ways that are trivial to compromise. So if the Home Secretary is saying that message encryption is a "problem" then there must be something else going on which has little to do with terrorism.

> The vast majority of terrorists are clowns.

Perhaps if you're referring to home grown Islamic terrorists. However Britain does have a problem with an experienced group of rather professional terrorists called the IRA.

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Oh god, I despair of this country. After a decade of conservative I have never been so disillusioned. I feel like I am stuck in a rut or like, I don't belong here. It is a horrible feeling. Deep down I know that the government is stuck in 1740 and by the time that millennials walk the halls of power, their parents will have signed away all their rights.

The very last thing I love is my country, that is for sure.

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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post #9

It's like Rudd and Abbott are competing in which will come up with more ridiculous notion. And you'd think they would choose someone competent for bloody home secretary and shadow home secretary respectively.

For a minute there I thought you were talking about Australian prime ministers. What a coincidence!

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post #5

> "However, there is a problem in terms of the growth of end-to-end encryption. "It’s a problem for the security services and for police who are not, under the normal way, under properly warranted paths, able to access that information.” What surprises me about this argument, is that their stance is that terrorists are accidentally starting to use encryption. So, by consequence, that in the past terrorists simply did…

All foreign terrorists have lived under some repressive government and privacy is unlikely to be one of their assumption. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply used the existing tools by convenience but with the same assumption the government can access their conversation as with every other medium.

Home grown terrorists may be different, but they are already consistently detected by regular police work long before they act.

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The tale of The Orwellian Kingdom continues...

No really. I've written about this before, but I sincerely refuse to believe that the government are doing this out of ignorance anymore.

There's been too many people telling them how it actually is, but they persist.

That leads me to conclude that either they're severely mentally dysfunctional, or there's another reason for doing this. PR maybe? Votes? Something more sinister?

Re: Message encryption a 'problem' – UK home secretary

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post #10
post #5

> "However, there is a problem in terms of the growth of end-to-end encryption. "It’s a problem for the security services and for police who are not, under the normal way, under properly warranted paths, able to access that information.” What surprises me about this argument, is that their stance is that terrorists are accidentally starting to use encryption. So, by consequence, that in the past terrorists simply did…

The vast majority of terrorists are clowns who, if they happen to use encryption at all, will mess up infosec in ways that are trivial to compromise. So if the Home Secretary is saying that message encryption is a "problem" then there must be something else going on which has little to do with terrorism.

thanks for the mental image of clown-terrorists :( as if either weren't bad enough on their own.

Isn't it obvious? This has got f-all to do with terrorism. The bad guys have always hidden their communication.

What's getting the security services all riled up is that ordinary law-abiding citizens are suddenly encrypted.

And, of course, there's no way out of this. Either encryption is secure, or it's broken. If it's secure, it's secure for everyone. If it's broken, it's broken for everyone. Now we have open-source encryption methods that are trivial to implement, anyone can build a securely end-to-end encrypted communication system. [1]

The cat's out of the bag, spooks. You can't read people's mail any more. You'll have to find other ways of gathering intelligence.

[1] within reason - clown-like incompetence will always mess up. Or even just ordinary-coder levels of incompetence. But it's still harder than plaintext.

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