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I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
As a shareholder this would really put me off. Unions are one of the main reasons we had such a huge American auto crisis just a few years ago. I'm largely anti-union anyways. We should have government enforced guarantees of decent treatment. We shouldn't have a tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry.
Of course, it probably does require the company to route some of the products of their labor back to the workers, which I guess is what American companies are loath to do?
I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
As a shareholder this would really put me off. Unions are one of the main reasons we had such a huge American auto crisis just a few years ago. I'm largely anti-union anyways. We should have government enforced guarantees of decent treatment. We shouldn't have a tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry.
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As a shareholder this would really put me off. Unions are one of the main reasons we had such a huge American auto crisis just a few years ago. I'm largely anti-union anyways. We should have government enforced guarantees of decent treatment. We shouldn't have a tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry.
Yes, instead we should have a tyranny of shareholders demanding ever more dividends, stock buybacks, acquisitions, layoffs, managing to Wall Street expectations, etc. until the company is bled dry.
I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
We are past the epoch of industrialization where the worker's union was a useful tool to protect people. The modern union masquerades as a protection mechanism for the worker while crippling the growth of successful scaling companies all while incentivizing the wrong behaviors (outsourcing of labor).
Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a shareholder this would really put me off. Unions are one of the main reasons we had such a huge American auto crisis just a few years ago. I'm largely anti-union anyways. We should have government enforced guarantees of decent treatment. We shouldn't have a tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry.
Made an account just to say that I couldn't tell if this post was sarcasm or not. Really? You don't want "...tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry", but you're ok with "..government enforced guarantees of decent treatment."? Strong fucking everything
Let's not forget that unions are not opt-in or opt-out. If you work in a union shop you are in that union and their dues are automatically taken directly out of your pay. You don't like what your union is doing? Tough luck. Suddenly you need to negotiate with the people who should be on your side and are taking money away from you to fund themselves. Union workers are often doubly screwed by their employers and their unions.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, instead we should have a tyranny of shareholders demanding ever more dividends, stock buybacks, acquisitions, layoffs, managing to Wall Street expectations, etc. until the company is bled dry.
It's hard to bleed a company dry if you are insisting that they pump in ever more blood. If a company dies your shares become worthless.
I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
As a shareholder this would really put me off. Unions are one of the main reasons we had such a huge American auto crisis just a few years ago. I'm largely anti-union anyways. We should have government enforced guarantees of decent treatment. We shouldn't have a tyranny of the masses demanding ever more pay, benefits, etc until a company is bled dry.
Or, viewed through another lens: the auto workers' union is the organization that prevented auto workers from being squeezed tighter and tighter without end.
If they, the workers, hadn't banded together, the owners and shareholders could keep cutting their wages, could keep failing to uphold their obligations to the workers' pensions and health care, could keep screwing the workers out of wages and a good life.
It's hard for me to be sympathetic to the owners and shareholders. They're not the ones showing up to a factory floor day after day, bolting cars together, destroying their bodies for dollars an hour.
It's also especially hard for me to say, "you have a constitutional right to assemble, but not if you want to use that right to assemble to demand better pay for yourselves and your fellow workers".
In fact, given the history of how the owning class has treated the laboring class in this country, it's hard for me to say the laboring class should have fewer tools to better their lives.
I'm a Tesla shareholder (of little significance in the grand scheme of things, but I bought some) and this wouldn't put me off. In fact, I think they should have a union.
We are past the epoch of industrialization where the worker's union was a useful tool to protect people. The modern union masquerades as a protection mechanism for the worker while crippling the growth of successful scaling companies all while incentivizing the wrong behaviors (outsourcing of labor).
For example, consider doctors. They don't have a union but there should to help regulate working conditions. There are so many abusive workplace practices in medicine like number of hours that doctor is forced to work through residences and fellowship. There are many examples of doctors dying from a car crash after their shift. We limit the hours truckers, pilots, and air traffic controllers but we are ok with having our doctors being sleep deprived as they operate on us? Doesn't make sense. This article deep dives into it: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/12/no-doctor...
Another area - cab / ride sharing drivers. Do you really want Uber and Lyft to set rules on hours, breaks, etc. for their drivers given their track record on ethics and following regulations? As one example, Uber had a known bug for several months where they didn't pay the correct amount of commission to their drivers. We can't just rely on regulators (they are swamped and have their own conflict of interests) to regulate worker rights, Unions are appropriate in many conditions.
There are lots of abusive industries where unions are needed to prevent exploitation of workers. I also acknowledge that the flip side of the coin is that in many areas unions have hurt companies - it's definitely a balance.