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Re: Joy of Elixir

#31

Post by jondubois »

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment?

HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles,

Year 1:

PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js!

Year 2:

Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go!

Year 3:

Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust!

Year 4:

Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir!

... And of course you get the odd Haskell article every so often.

Communities are promoting their stuff too hard - They are setting up their users for disillusionment and disappointment.

Re: Joy of Elixir

#32

Post by acjohnson55 »

jondubois wrote: post #31

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment? HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles, Year 1: PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js! Year 2: Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go! Year 3: Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust! Year 4: Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir! ... And of course you get…

Eh, just don't upvote it. Or upvote other PL stuff you do like.

Re: Joy of Elixir

#33

Post by bhauer »

jondubois wrote: post #31

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment? HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles, Year 1: PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js! Year 2: Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go! Year 3: Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust! Year 4: Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir! ... And of course you get…

I too feel there is a generational hype cycle at HN. However, I don't see much in the way of "language N sucks" as a precursor to "everyone should use language N1!" Maybe I am just blind to the negativity, but in general, what I see with each hype generation is only the positive side: "everyone should use language N1!"

I suspect with any given hype generation—with each trending language—we're going to see a lot of positive messaging as the fans up-vote articles pertaining to the new hotness. Meanwhile, those who disagree (or simply don't care) probably don't see much value in taking the time to evangelize their disagreement. I'm not upvoting Elixir content, but I'm certainly not going to downvote it either. Why should I care if other people enjoy a platform I don't care about? Good for them!

Also, perhaps as everyone is hyping language N1, those who are using N are simply too busy using N and making a living to keep layering on the hype.

Re: Joy of Elixir

#34

Post by obstacle1 »

jondubois wrote: post #31

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment? HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles, Year 1: PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js! Year 2: Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go! Year 3: Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust! Year 4: Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir! ... And of course you get…

> They are setting up their users for disillusionment and disappointment.

There's nothing wrong with communities promoting themselves. If people don't know about your thing, they can't try it to make their own decisions about whether or not it is worth using.

And it isn't yours or a community leader's or a maintainer's job to protect users from disillusionment and disappointment. If someone actually has a hard fall from realizing that a programming language isn't as great as people said it might be, there are way bigger issues there than the programming language at play -- on the side of the disillusioned, not the language/community.

Re: Joy of Elixir

#35

Post by tarr11 »

cordite wrote: post #29

While I applaud creating documentation, books, and guides for those new to the language, there's still a significant accessibility gap in resources. I already know the language, I've already done some basic stuff in phoenix, I've even made my own HTTP API wrapper as its own library. But when it comes to architecting backend systems that aren't tied to phoenix or playing around with IEx, I really feel like I am on my…

Found this post from June about Basho.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14621359

Re: Joy of Elixir

#36

Post by sctb »

dgjuuff wrote: post #26
bjz_ wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Errm.... I work with the guy and he's been paid to write code in it for the last year now.

Good, so he's finally made himself useful

Please stop these personal attacks. They don't belong on Hacker News.

Re: Joy of Elixir

#37

Post by lostcolony »

tarr11 wrote: post #35
cordite wrote: post #29

While I applaud creating documentation, books, and guides for those new to the language, there's still a significant accessibility gap in resources. I already know the language, I've already done some basic stuff in phoenix, I've even made my own HTTP API wrapper as its own library. But when it comes to architecting backend systems that aren't tied to phoenix or playing around with IEx, I really feel like I am on my…

Found this post from June about Basho. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14621359

It's very definitely dead.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/31/end_of_the_road_for...

Re: Joy of Elixir

#38

Post by pessimizer »

jondubois wrote: post #31

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment? HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles, Year 1: PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js! Year 2: Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go! Year 3: Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust! Year 4: Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir! ... And of course you get…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1919897

Hacker News is interested in Erlang; it should be in the rules.

Also - just judging by the head of the linked list - PHP programmer?

Re: Joy of Elixir

#39

Post by dcu »

jondubois wrote: post #31

Why is there so much Elixir hype on HN at the moment? HN shouldn't be used as a propaganda hype machine. I've seen all the language hype cycles, Year 1: PHP sucks! Node.js is awesome! Everyone must use Node.js! Year 2: Node.js sucks! Go is awesome! Everyone must use Go! Year 3: Go sucks! Rust is awesome! Everyone must use Rust! Year 4: Rust sucks! Elixir is awesome! Everyone must use Elixir! ... And of course you get…

Go is still great and stronger every day ;)

Re: Joy of Elixir

#40

Post by jah »

cordite wrote: post #29

While I applaud creating documentation, books, and guides for those new to the language, there's still a significant accessibility gap in resources. I already know the language, I've already done some basic stuff in phoenix, I've even made my own HTTP API wrapper as its own library. But when it comes to architecting backend systems that aren't tied to phoenix or playing around with IEx, I really feel like I am on my…

I feel that Erlang adoption is probably the most realistic growth path for most serious Elixir developers. All of these topics you mentioned (breakers, message routing, etc) have been discussed and developed in the Erlang community for years. The only new thing that Elixir brings to the table in these areas is abstraction and syntax - both of which are arguably not needed in large complex systems.

Source: full-time Erlang developer of 7 years who spent a full year coding Elixir in its v1.0.x days

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