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Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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You seem to assume that mining is the point of a cryptocurrency, and I don't think it is. Even Satoshi, when he was still around, predicted that mining would eventually be out of reach of the normal user. But you can still "take part" by using it for what it actually is - a currency.

The big problem with cryptocurrencies is that they're really not currencies... I don't know anyone who would want to use BC for anything other than speculation. Speculation that undermines the stability of the currency, which isn't conducive to use as currency. There are proper cryptocurrencies that don't require mining but they don't seem to get nearly as much attention.

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Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

#102

AMD announced the Vega 10 based GPUs today (on sale August 14). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14889357 Apparently they are going to bundle most of them with games and hardware discounts initially, to discourage buy ups by the miners. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11680/radeon-rx-vega-unveiled-... The RX Vega 56 part has 50% higher SP compute per watt than the RX 580 and 570 (50 SP GFLOP/watt), and is only $399…

New instructions for miners:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Vega_Microarchitectu...

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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This just sounds grandiose but really, renting a 747-400F is not such a big deal. This http://www.opshots.net/2015/04/aircraft-operating-series-air... article gives a figure of 24-27000 USD an hour. You need it how long? Ten hours? Twelve? Using a random card Amazon gives us a box size of 13.4 x 9.5 x 3.1 about 400 cubic inches. Say http://www.cargolux.com/our-expertise/cargo-equipment/aircra... we have 21 347 ft^3 t…

To me, this stuff that's suggestive of embellishment ('business is going so well, we're renting entire planes to ship our GPUs) is par for the course in the recent climate of crypto news.

I never know if I'm being shilled or not anymore...

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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A side business I run supplied them with components in 2016. Based on what I shipped them I'd say they deployed some where in the neighborhood of 18,000 graphics cards in 2016 and they were supposedly ramping up to go even bigger in 2017. I don't have any insight into what they are currently up to because that scaling apparently involved hiring a eastern European engineer on the cheap to masquerade as a customer to t…

>I don't have any insight into what they are currently up to because that scaling apparently involved hiring a eastern European engineer on the cheap to masquerade as a customer to try and obtain confidential hardware design details from me so he could rip off my product for them. Sounds like an interesting story here. How did you out him/her?

i seriously can't wait for Bitcoin the movie

i imagine it to be somewhere between Hackers and Departed

PS: given we currently have an emoji movie, had an facebook movie. A bitcoin movie is only a question of time - too many good stories here.

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

#105
post #35

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What good are your altcoins when the developers/miners give up on the project? A bar of gold is always a bar of gold, no matter what the price of gold is.

A bar of gold is pretty useless though.

There are both industrial and decorative uses for gold, and always will be.

Bitcoin could hypothetically be replaced by Dogecoin and bitcoin would have no value.

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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post #25
post #19

This just sounds grandiose but really, renting a 747-400F is not such a big deal. This http://www.opshots.net/2015/04/aircraft-operating-series-air... article gives a figure of 24-27000 USD an hour. You need it how long? Ten hours? Twelve? Using a random card Amazon gives us a box size of 13.4 x 9.5 x 3.1 about 400 cubic inches. Say http://www.cargolux.com/our-expertise/cargo-equipment/aircra... we have 21 347 ft^3 t…

A side business I run supplied them with components in 2016. Based on what I shipped them I'd say they deployed some where in the neighborhood of 18,000 graphics cards in 2016 and they were supposedly ramping up to go even bigger in 2017. I don't have any insight into what they are currently up to because that scaling apparently involved hiring a eastern European engineer on the cheap to masquerade as a customer to t…

> confidential hardware design details

It used to be called 'documentation"...

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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It's not just the electricity, it's major wear and tear on lots of hardware with no real purpose. This get's worse the more different currencies there are and the more people are farming them. While I like the basic idea behind Bitcoin, I really don't like this development of "Let's invent a couple of dozen more of those!". It also shows the ugly face of how what we as human societies actually value. While I haven't…

You say "no real purpose" but what you mean is "a purpose I don't value". That's fine, don't do it. The problem comes when you think that people doing things you don't like is somehow wrong. People have attempted to make scientific computing good for proof of work-- GRIDCoin is an example. But it doesn't work for actually securing the network, due to the nature of how blockchains work. You're free to work or mine or…

Cryptocurrency "mining" consists of essentially burning money, by design (proof of work and all that). I don't have to know a lot about you to know that's a poor way to spend your money.

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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A bar of gold is pretty useless though.

There are both industrial and decorative uses for gold, and always will be. Bitcoin could hypothetically be replaced by Dogecoin and bitcoin would have no value.

Gold can be replaced by other metals.

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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I'm consistently surprised at how tepid AMD's embrace of mining has been. If I was them and noticed that my product was literally sold out everywhere because of mining, I would embrace it, open a mining division, and immediately get to work trying to create specialized hardware optimized for mining. The fact that they seem to be pretending that this use case does not exist and stubbornly declare themselves to be excl…

I think AMD's problem is manufacturing capacities. They can't even properly fulfill the current demand of gamers and miners, you want them to start a completely new line specialized just on miners? Where are they supposed to manufacture these chips? It would also be wasted effort on AMD's part as the cards are selling like crazy anyway and once the cryptoboom stops there's still plenty of gamers left to buy them.

When the cryptoboom ends the secondhand market will flood with cheap used cards.

If they made mining-specific cards with no video output, then they would be useless on the secondhand market

Re: Cryptocurrency miners are renting Boeing 747s to ship graphics cards

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good are your altcoins when the developers/miners give up on the project? A bar of gold is always a bar of gold, no matter what the price of gold is.

A bar of gold is pretty useless though.

Not in India, we are the largest importers of Gold.
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