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Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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No this is different, not watching your kids in the swimming pool is a choice, you opened the gate to let them in and chose not to watch them.

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Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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General Motors has a rear seat alert available on some models - basically, if you open the rear door at the start of a trip, the car reminds you to retrieve whatever you put in the back seat.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/technologies-designed-prevent-hot-c...

Disclaimer: I work for GM, but not on this tech.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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I wouldn't trivialize the reliable detection of people, especially small children. I think we are just now getting at the point where that technology could be reliable, and from an automaker's perspective, it could be a similar level of investment as autopilot, and a much smaller benefit (more people would be saved by reliable autopilot, and it's also much more desirable to consumers). Even if they had such a technol…

wouldn't a motion detector be enough? It doesn't really matter if it's a kid or a dog.

No, it wouldn't. Not if the child is asleep. Some kids wiggle in their sleep in a carseat, but there are plenty who sleep like a sack of flour.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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75 F is not safe. Neither is 65 F. I'm not saying you did something wrong, but what your neighbor did was certainly right

It might not have been right, but it wasn't illegal either (in that state, sure it would be illegal in California). All of you would probably flip out in Denmark, where kids are left sleeping outside the cafe wrapped up in bassinets while their moms drink coffee. Supposedly the cold outdoor air helps them sleep more soundly.

In England, my parents regularly left me in the car while they rushed into a shop.

Of course, being England in the 1990s the car didn't have air conditioning, so some windows would have been ajar. They were manual windows, so I could open them more if I wanted to.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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"There are a lot of shitty parents out there who fear prison more than they fear losing their child. There are even parents who want to kill their children. If it becomes common knowledge that you can get away with murdering your kid as long as you use this technique... I don't really want to think about that." I believe we're going to need a citation on that. What exactly does "a lot" mean? 1% of the population of p…

Based on the definition you provided, it seems fairly obvious to me based on how I interpret that definition. "acting in a particular manner" = leaving the child in the car, that is the act. "foreseeable outcome" = death. "reasonable care to avoid consequences" = anything that the parent could easily do which would prevent the foreseeable outcome. There are a few things parents can do, and could even combine them. An…

Clone your self by 300 million and tell me you won't forget the keys over a period of 20 years one time.

I'm not sure all 300 million us adults subscribe to your newsletter.

'forget things all the time' - so you admit there is a chance 100 percent can drop to 99.9999?

A friend of a friend had their child eat a battery that was left lying around in the house, I'm pretty sure there are a million other potential killer forgetful actions that parents face.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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As horrible as this form of death is, it seems statistically unlikely. I'd wager that there are orders of magnitude between child deaths in cars due to heat and child deaths in cars due to crashes. As such, I don't think an app for this makes sense. I don't think this ranks when looking at the numbers. That said, this must be amongst the worst ways of losing a child, and that is saying something.

I think you're thinking of this from a purely "statistical scope of the problem" perspective and underestimating the value of "emotional commitment of a parent for their children". If there was an app (would require hardware...some sortof linkup with the child seat) I'd imagine if it was marketed right and there were studies supporting it's effectiveness you could charge an awful lot for it and virtually every parent…

If there was an app, it might not require any integration at all - just a vibration or beep pattern with a notification every time I step out should be more than enough. If I have my child I'll ignore it the way I would any message, if I don't the distinctive pattern should be enough of a memory jog.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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We have keyless entry, lane departure warning, cruise control, and even autopilot. Can't we have a stupidly simple system that if a human is detected in the car and the temperature is over 37 degrees C: - 0. Call the car owner's phone or alert them through any communication app they use - 1. After 5 minutes, call the police Ether or both would save lives. It doesn't seem like a very difficult technical task to me.

A car that calls the police on its owner seems like a non starter. I would be worried that it would erroneously call the cops on me and not purchase it. If you mandated it I would do my best to see the people that voted for it out of office as soon as possible. What you are discussing seems complicated, error prone, and expensive. My kid is an adult. I don't want your half assed system calling the cops to save my pac…

I'd face a big fine any day over the death of another person that I caused inadvertently. The former sucks, but I'd get over it. The latter would wreck my life forever if it happened.

In any case, my suggestion was to call the owner first. They would have several minutes to respond. Or the product could only do that, and forget about the police part, which would also save lots of lives.

Or instead of calling the police, start the air conditioner and continue notifying the owner every few minutes if they do not respond to the first notification.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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This is a great way to analyze the purposes of the criminal justice system. Typically, there are three: punishment, deterrence, and rehabilitation. Prosecuting someone who forgot their kid in the car can't have deterrent effect--to the extent the event was avoidable, the possibility of prosecution couldn't possibly match the deterrent effect created by the risk of harm to the child. Likewise, there is no rehabilitati…

If you replace the victim with a dog instead of his own child, I'd say, " Yes he'd probably do it again. ". That leads to an odd situation where the action that leads to a child's death would warrant a lesser sentence than the same act leading to a dog's death.

That happened to someone in my family. You can be sure they'll never do it again.

Re: Forgetting a Child in a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? (2009)

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I disagree about deterrence. There are a lot of shitty parents out there who fear prison more than they fear losing their child. There are even parents who want to kill their children. If it becomes common knowledge that you can get away with murdering your kid as long as you use this technique... I don't really want to think about that. People are also really bad about evaluating potential consequences. A person mig…

"There are a lot of shitty parents out there who fear prison more than they fear losing their child. There are even parents who want to kill their children. If it becomes common knowledge that you can get away with murdering your kid as long as you use this technique... I don't really want to think about that." I believe we're going to need a citation on that. What exactly does "a lot" mean? 1% of the population of p…

I don't have a number backed by some statistics, but there is this news in Sydney _today_ that a father pointed a gun at 4yo daughter and pulling the trigger. It was caught on camera.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-31/father-charged-after-p...

Such coincidence is a good reminder that the % is not as low as some people like to argue/believe.

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