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Thanks for the thorough explanation. Do you have sources? I want to read papers, I don't want to read your unsourced statements. Can you post links to any peer-reviewed papers supporting your claims? Or, if there is a big conspiracy not to publish such research, at least pre-prints written by actual researchers where publishing was refused? (and which really analyses data, and which doesn't read like anti-vaxx or fla…
The reasoning in my post is nearly self contained. For more, mostly all you need are just two boxes of common data: First, you need the historical data, especially the ice core data. No doubt you can find that data via many sources on the Internet. See also the video clip I mention below. For the rest of the data, just look up the Medieval Warm period, the Little Ice Age, and the cooling from 1940 to 1970. That's eno…
Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
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Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reasoning in my post is nearly self contained. For more, mostly all you need are just two boxes of common data: First, you need the historical data, especially the ice core data. No doubt you can find that data via many sources on the Internet. See also the video clip I mention below. For the rest of the data, just look up the Medieval Warm period, the Little Ice Age, and the cooling from 1940 to 1970. That's eno…
"The argument, the subject, really is just that simple." I almost lack words at this point. I hope you never come in a decision where you need to judge a scientific inquiry in a way that has consequences for others. At least not about anything more complex than, indeed, whether it is dangerous to jump off a tall building. At the point where you have to declare that the others are just idiots you KNOW that you have ta…
Your skepticism about the ice core data is correct. But, it was the ice core data that was nearly all the data in Al Gore's movie that did a lot to get the global warming scare going. So, in a sense, just take that data, see the 800 year lag, and declare Gore's argument junk.
I don't say that the alarmists are idiots -- I'd say that they are after money. Apparently Al Gore made a lot. So did Elon Musk (supposedly ballpark $5 billion in subsidies). And many others. The movie I linked to has one of the most credible guys, Lindzen, explaining how the money works. Al Gore started the money flow, and Maggie Thatcher had a role, too.
I'm not going to check the ice core data for the points you mentioned. Presumably some people have done that. So, then, sure, maybe the original papers from the Russians at their Vostok station, etc. would be a place to look.
If you do go look and do then take the ice core data at face value, and the 800 year lag, then return to my argument in my little post and drive a stake through the heart of the global warming alarmists.
It's not about science. Instead it's about money and power. Without the issues of money and power, there would be no IPCC, Paris Accord, Kyoto whatever, subsidies for "renewable" energy, much of anything about solar cells, wind turbines, or carbon sequestration, and the whole subject would have less attention than worms 7 miles down in the Pacific.
Since the real issues are money and power, no way am I going to check in detail the ice core data for questions at the level of detail you mentioned. The alarmists, seeking money and power, have suckered a lot of people, and for me to spend time checking all the details of the ice core data would be my getting suckered because it's about money and power, not science. In particular, the contention you see is due to money and power, not doubts about the data. That's all just part of the real world outside of good science.
Net, what I wrote is ENOUGH for the science.
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
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First, you found nothing factually wrong with what I wrote. Your "pre-modern" maybe be relevant in, say, English literature but says nothing wrong with what I wrote. Besides, the 1780s knew next to nothing about the ice core data. Second, for your video clip, it references a paper from the 1800s that claims to predict the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere on the temperature of the atmosphere and mentions that that pred…
I think the reference to "pre-modern" is referring to your (over-)confidence in having realized something very simple, simple enough that a 10 paragraph post on HackerNews can possibly put things straight, and then the arrogance in assuming that hundreds if not thousands of climate researchers are, consciously or unconsciously, overlooking these very simple things. If a question of research can indeed be settled in a…
> Do you on your side have anything concrete for why so many climate researchers today are sacrificing their integrity?
The video clip I gave answered that in very clear terms from some fully credible people.
The answer is that those people want to keep their jobs; that is, they are getting paid.
I'm not getting paid.
The IPCC? It's about money and power.
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#94I hear often that educating girls will curb population growth in poor countries. Has anyone actually proven that this is a causative relationship and not correlative?
Educating girls in poor countries, I'll posit, offers the only hope for a future without recurring mass violence. The empirical evidence is that where girls are educated, they acquire power to control their own fertility, and also the will to do so, that being the best means to concentrate limited household resources toward quality education for their own children.
And this voluntary, culturally-based impetus toward population control is the only plausible moderator of the runaway consumption of critical resources that now threatens mass suffering on a civilizational scale. CO2 uptake capacity of the biosphere being of course only one critical, supply-constrained resource among several, e.g. fresh water, fertile land, fisheries.
Political systems on the other hand are everywhere far too weak to look to for effective action. Here's a timely reminder: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-epa-museum-histor...
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
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You are right, but only if you discount the more extreme solutions to those tragedy of the commons/power broker problems. There is a historically effective solution to those problems, the one we all hate to think about, that has a high likelihood of failure, causes massive amounts of suffering and has multi-generation length unintended consequences: violence.
As I mentioned in another comment, by the time it is clear to the common person that their immediate suffering is due to climate change that could have been prevented by political means, it will have been too late. Mass uprisings typically do not overthrow governments until immediate survival is threatened.
Oh definitely, realistically it's not going to happen, certainly not in time. I was treating that more as a hypothetical.