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Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

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This reminds me of a literary test to vote. In this case it's: "Here's our news story. Answer some questions to be sure you understand OUR point of view, the words and ideas WE want you to acquiesce, in order to express your so-called opinion." Ungood.

Would you really want illiterate voters, though?

are you like totally ignorant of how literary tests (and poll taxes) were used to disenfranchise minorities

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

#42

This reminds me of a literary test to vote. In this case it's: "Here's our news story. Answer some questions to be sure you understand OUR point of view, the words and ideas WE want you to acquiesce, in order to express your so-called opinion." Ungood.

Would you really want illiterate voters, though?

Overtonwindow is referring to historical policies in parts of the US that were used to suppress the black vote. These had nothing to do with actually ensuring a literate electorate. White voters were often either exempt from the tests altogether or held to a much lower standard. The concern is something like wording the questions to be ideological shibboleths to let the "right sort of people" comment rather than checking for awareness of specific facts or claims.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

#43

I expect there will be some mockery of the questions if they are not careful. Imagine questions written by MSNBC & FoxNews for the same story. I can see the questions setting up an echo chamber effect.

The cool thing about this kind of filter is that it specifically has nothing to do with what the potential poster is about to post . As long as the questions remain about the facts in the article, intuitively it seems terrible for virality (as it extends the time frame between casual emotion and action), so I doubt any large news outlet would actually implement this.

It can at most be about the facts of the article as understood by the writer (Murray Gell-Man applies here), which the commenter may very well know better than the writer.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

#44

> Google announced last week, for instance, that it had built an artificially intelligent tool that can read through comments and identify whether or not they are "toxic". Censorship at its finest.

I'm Interested in knowing if you see submission guidelines/terms of conditions to be censorious as well then. The sensible approach when dealing with speech protections is that censorship can only come from the State since its muffling of speech is universal throughout a society and is backed by an implicit threat of violence. There is no inherent right to a soapbox upon which to stand on. A private party being in a position where they must broadcast any speech from any source is actually in this arrangement an abridgement of their own speech.

Now that being said, there is a reasonable point of view that says while it should not be legally mandated, private party filtering and editing of content acquired from third parties through some sort of public accommodation _seems_ dishonest. But the truth is, publications writ large exist to transmit a particular experience, whether that be cultural, ideological, or technical(in the sense of the mechanics of conversation a la HN). While this would not be ideal if taken to a no-exceptions type extreme, as long as State censorship is fought off and defended successfully, there types speech that gets muffled through one publication can and will find a light through another.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

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I've often thought that those who make decisions for society should be required to pass a test to show they understand all sides of an issue. It is absurd to me that politicians are currently allowed to make the wide variety of decisions that they make. I don't think anybody really wants to vote for them to do that. (There was an old episode of Star Trek that had officer candidates use the holodeck to be exposed to a…

I've often thought that apart from the very fewest national security issues all government should be conducted in the open: all cabinet meetings should be public, all political areas should be monitored and the results available to all, and all private political discussion between politicians should be banned on pain of imprisonment. If they've nothing to hide they've nothing to fear, right?

The problem I see with that proposal is that it would entirely eliminate the ability of Congress to compromise on anything, for fear of a video going viral showing them ceding ground on contentious issues and being used against them next election.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

#47

Great, now how about extending this to voting rights?

You have been downvoted, but I too would think that was a good idea - unfortunately there are many potential traps here, not the least of which is the ability to control the questions.

In addition to that, you end up breaking the democratic system, which is so very good at keeping our disputes and disagreements from boiling over into a civil war.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

#48

> Google announced last week, for instance, that it had built an artificially intelligent tool that can read through comments and identify whether or not they are "toxic". Censorship at its finest.

I've seen a few good classifiers to filter hate speech in tweet s at a few hackathons.

Of course they rely on a wordlist 90 % of the time but it would eliminate the trashiest comments quite well.

Re: Must answer questions before posting comments to prove you understand news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

someone will quickly sneak in stuff like "is global warming real?" in the questions.

at least "What is the European Union?" when voting for brexit would be enough.

That's a good (and presumably unintentional) demonstration of the problem - the European Union is a hugely complex, very political beast and the right answer to that question depends heavily on your political frame of reference and priorities. Even just the free trade-related aspects can be accurately described either as giving up control of our own laws and regulations to a centralized bureaucracy or enabling trade by removing non-tariff barriers depending on how you want to frame them - since almost all non-tariff barriers other than differences in regulations are banned by WTO rules they're the same thing, one description just emphasises the benefits and the other the downsides. (I've even seen a certain FT writer who insists he's not pro-EU use both framings - the positive one when discussing the EU and the negative one when discussing post-Brexit trade deals outside the EU.)
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