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Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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Chomsky wrote the foreword to a French book denying the Holocaust and spoke at the headquarters of Hezbollah - an internationally recognized terror group - amoung other asinine things. Why does anyone respect this guy?

Faurisson was sentenced to jail for "denying the Holocaust" as you put it. Chomsky believed Faurisson had the right of free speech "even if Faurisson were to be a rabid anti-Semite and fanatic pro-Nazi" as Chomsky's statement said. Chomsky said to use his statement as wished, and it was put as the preface of a Faurisson book. When people ask him about this Chomsky says he has signed hundreds of free speech petitions…

The section on Hezbollah in this comment contains a ton of factual errors.

>Hezbollah has 12 MPs in the Lebanese parliament. It represents the interests of a section of Shia in Lebanon,

So far so good

>many of whom were driven from their homes in Palestine in 1948 by Jewish settlers, and are now barred from returning home (whereas a Jew from anywhere in the world is allowed to settle in the West Bank).

Nope, you're confusing Palestinians and Shia Lebanese. Not a single Shia was driven from their home by the creation of Israel in 1948. Hezbollah does not represent Palestinians in Lebanon (who were driven out in 1948) because they are not citizens of Lebanon, despite being born there at this point.

>The PFLP is "terrorist", Hamas is "terrorist", Hezbollah is "terrorist", the PLO is "terrorist", the DFLP is "terrorist" - anyone who fights back against Zionist (or sometimes American) aggression is labeled a "terrorist".

Is blowing up a Jewish center in Beunos Aires (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing) or killing 22 school children (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alot_massacre) "fighting back against Zionist aggression"?

>Hezbollah was formed because Israel invaded Lebanon and began killing Shia there (or letting their helpers do so in Sabra and Shatila).

Again, you are confusing Palestinians with Shias. Sabra and Shatila was a Palestinian refugee camp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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post #26

The last part is great: Khalil: "It's not every day that a non-Googler gets to sit in a room full of people who work at Google, and are software engineers, and are advertising experts, and are you know market experts in different fields. Do you have anything that you'd like to ask us?" Chomsky: "Why not do some of the serious things?" :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-zWrhFqpM&t=59m21s

What does he mean by that? Can you elaborate please?

I think it's in the same vein as the quote by Jeff Hammerbacher: “The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads”.

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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post #26

The last part is great: Khalil: "It's not every day that a non-Googler gets to sit in a room full of people who work at Google, and are software engineers, and are advertising experts, and are you know market experts in different fields. Do you have anything that you'd like to ask us?" Chomsky: "Why not do some of the serious things?" :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-zWrhFqpM&t=59m21s

And the other final part so great I gave it it's own thread ;-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14701008

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another problem is his position/denial of the Cambodian genocide by Khmer Rouge. What does Chomsky nowadays say on this matter? Does he acknowledge that his judgement was wrong? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial

We do not pretend to know where the truth lies amidst these sharply conflicting assessments; rather, we again want to emphasize some crucial points. What filters through to the American public is a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered That sound…

Would you allow the same middle ground fallacy for Holocaust?

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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post #26

The last part is great: Khalil: "It's not every day that a non-Googler gets to sit in a room full of people who work at Google, and are software engineers, and are advertising experts, and are you know market experts in different fields. Do you have anything that you'd like to ask us?" Chomsky: "Why not do some of the serious things?" :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-zWrhFqpM&t=59m21s

Usually I find needless jabs like these in bad taste, but looking at how pompously the question was worded, I think it was well deserved here.

If he'd just said—is there something you want to ask this room full of Googlers?, it would be okay.

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

#36

The world will lose one of the great modern-day thinkers when Chomsky is no longer with us. It's hard to fathom how he remains such a clear thinker at his age.

His contribution to linguistics is definitely great and no one can take that from him. But to call him a great modern-day thinker is a bit of a stretch.

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not pretend to know where the truth lies amidst these sharply conflicting assessments; rather, we again want to emphasize some crucial points. What filters through to the American public is a seriously distorted version of the evidence available, emphasizing alleged Khmer Rouge atrocities and downplaying or ignoring the crucial U.S. role, direct and indirect, in the torment that Cambodia has suffered That sound…

Would you allow the same middle ground fallacy for Holocaust?

Check the dates.

If you were trying to assess claims of an extraordinary and unprecedented mechanised genocide by Nazi Germany in 1943 or early 1944, when it wasn't obvious what was actually going on, and when all people had to go on were reports from a handful of escapees and refugees, then yes, being careful with the evidence would be the appropriate response to the Holocaust claims available at the time, just as being careful with Cambodian refugee reports would have been appropriate in 1977 or 1978.

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

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This is in my opinion one of the most important and relevant to current events Chomsky excerpts that I've ever seen:

Noam Chomsky - Neoliberalism Is Destroying Our Democracy

https://youtu.be/uh8PpYRD5to?t=152

(Starts at 2:35, "and then a third thing happened..."; personally, I would suggest ignoring the various TV clips spliced in as that to me seems like the projections of the politics of the editor of the video and not necessarily the specific idea Chomsky himself intends to convey.)

To me this illustrates how those who actually "control" things in the US and the world have split those who should be allies into two camps. The perfect weapon in this strategy is the "proper" and well-intended anti-racist propaganda Westerners have been subject to for decades - combined with the dulling of the average Western mind to the point many are near incapable of critical thinking, the result is that perfectly common sense public discussions on incredibly important matters such as international trade and immigration can largely be stopped in their tracks by cries of "racism!"...and even better, the ones who are being most harmed, the younger generations of the (former) middle class, are the very ones who are stopping the dialogue that affects their future!

Human nature is really amazing if you step back and observe it critically.

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

#39
> Chomsky explains his decision to focus on criticizing the U.S. over other countries as being because, during his lifetime, the country has militarily and economically dominated the world, and because its liberal democratic electoral system allows for the citizenry to exert an influence on government policy.

chomsky is incredibly smart and i love listening to what he has to say and agree with most of it, but this focus on criticizing US is definitely not one of them. i get the argument, but he's either blind to or doesn't care that his well intended criticism is more effective as a political tool in hands of enemies of the liberal democratic system which he supposedly wants to succeed.

not saying that US must not be criticized, it just feels very disproportionate compared to the amount of injustice and atrocities in other parts of the world. hell, on a majority of this planet's surface chomsky would have been disappeared long time ago for the kind of criticizm he directs at US - is that not a reason to begin your every speech with "keep in mind, matters are very much worse pretty much everywhere else but...".

Re: Talks at Google: Noam Chomsky [video]

#40

The world will lose one of the great modern-day thinkers when Chomsky is no longer with us. It's hard to fathom how he remains such a clear thinker at his age.

His contribution to linguistics is definitely great and no one can take that from him. But to call him a great modern-day thinker is a bit of a stretch.

> Chomsky is voted world's top public intellectual

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/18/books.highered...

It's not an uncommon assertion.

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