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Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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“Our democracy has been hacked.” is something that resonates with me very well. A select group of people have mastered media manipulation and are now acting as puppeteers while we are all in a state of confusion, no longer able to discern truth from disinformation. It is not classic censorship that worries me anymore. It is this constant bombardment with questionable data that we need to figure out how to battle, as it is our biggest enemy now. We need some way to get out of the disinformation bubble and be able to see the real picture.

BTW this article reminded me of a great show[1] that Last Week Tonight did, about how local news outlets in US are used to manipulate the masses.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #11

The very last line of the article explains it all; this is to promote his soon to be release movie. As always, it's about the money.

Most of people's actions have personal gain (be it money, power, recognition, sense of worth, etc...) as their main motive.

But it does not make them necessarily wrong or worthless to others.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #12

“Our democracy has been hacked.” is something that resonates with me very well. A select group of people have mastered media manipulation and are now acting as puppeteers while we are all in a state of confusion, no longer able to discern truth from disinformation. It is not classic censorship that worries me anymore. It is this constant bombardment with questionable data that we need to figure out how to battle, as…

> questionable data that we need to figure out how to battle

The reality of the situation seems obvious to me, even if the edges are not clearly defined. I don't think it's very difficult to work out what is going on (with climate change etc.)

To me this is not about people getting access to good data, or being otherwise properly educated. It's about people identifying with "their group", and attacking the "others". And such battle lines are fought around various issues and language, and labels. But it's not actually about those issues or language or labels. It's about self and other. My people, and those other people. So this is what needs to be healed, this separative egoness.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #7

Isn't Al Gore rich though? I'm bothered when the elite speak of others as if they're not part of that 1%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbLK4RZDdzI

I don't know what your intention is in sharing this video, but isn't his response to the question posed perfectly reasonable? Al Gore has spent his life fighting climate change, believes we can combat it, and has personally invested in companies he believes can make that a reality.

I don't see how this makes him a fraud in the slightest.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #8

I'm generally against generalizations ("the rich have subverted ...") as it leads to witchhunt and lynching of the wrong people. However, he convinced me that a wrong balance of powers is keeping us too much in the "status quo" of runaway pollution, using misinformation, and is slowing us down in the fight against massive destruction. But what can we do? For example, in French politics, there isn't a single person wh…

That seems like a pretty big expansion of the concept of "hate speech" beyond what it is generally used to mean.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #11

The very last line of the article explains it all; this is to promote his soon to be release movie. As always, it's about the money.

Frankly, if Al Gore is looking to cash in, another movie about global warming is probably not his best option.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #5

Isn't Al Gore rich though? I'm bothered when the elite speak of others as if they're not part of that 1%.

That's the headline. It's not clear that Gore said that. An actual quote is. > “I mean that those with access to large amounts of money and raw power,” says Gore, “have been able to subvert all reason and fact in collective decision making” In any case, it's clear that he's not talking about all the rich.

Is that an actual full quote? When something like "says Gore" is jammed in the middle of a quote, I always suspect there was something else in between. It could be "umm" or it could be something that changes the meaning of the entire sentence.

Re: Al Gore: 'The rich have subverted all reason'

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post #14
post #11

The very last line of the article explains it all; this is to promote his soon to be release movie. As always, it's about the money.

Most of people's actions have personal gain (be it money, power, recognition, sense of worth, etc...) as their main motive. But it does not make them necessarily wrong or worthless to others.

True, but I would appreciate a little integrity/honesty. He flies all over the world, multiple times in a short time span, and then makes his money "complaining" that we are using fossil fuels, when he could have just as easily been there via a teleconference. I don't mind people that walk the talk, but Al Gore avoids that.
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