Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
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Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#2Honest, sincere, question here:
How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or language changes that make it more pleasant or any good use cases compared to my usual languages? I will add using it anywhere, while a valid use case, isn't something particularly attractive to me.
Edit: just wanted to say thanks for all the good comments posted so far!
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#3Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
It's not a terrible experience, but it is truly baffling that anyone would start a project in it today. A good static type system is too useful and important.
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#4Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
PHP7 has improved life when dealing with legacy systems, but I think all in all you're better off not building new stuff in it. There are almost always better tools for the job than PHP, like Django, Rails, Go's net/http, etc. depending on the kind of thing you're writing.
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#5Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
PHP7 has improved life when dealing with legacy systems, but I think all in all you're better off not building new stuff in it. There are almost always better tools for the job than PHP, like Django, Rails, Go's net/http, etc. depending on the kind of thing you're writing.
So, framework-vs-language arguments without any kind of explanation why are in huh?
Ok, I can dig it.
Instead of wearing sneakers you should wear cloggs or flip flops.
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#6Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
It's not a terrible experience, but it is truly baffling that anyone would start a project in it today. A good static type system is too useful and important.
> A good static type system is too useful and important.
What? A whole lot of web apps these days are built in Python, Ruby, or JavaScript, none of which are statically typed languages. Do you mean a strong type system?
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#7Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
i think PHP has the opposite problem of JavaScript - a build-in function library that's too big and very inconsistent. much of http://phpsadness.com/ remains in v7+. i tried to get them to change their long-standing, self-admitted improper ternary associativity [1] or at least deprecate it in v7 but it resulted in a huge bikeshed (despite no one actually encountering code that depended on the wrong behavior which has been discouraged for many years) and died a fast death [2]. their "if it's documented [3], it ain't broken" stance is pretty toxic and they maintain BC to a fault, IMO.
also, they've refused to implement native multi-part formdata parsing in anything other than POST requests and dont expose a good/safe way to get this done either, leaving PUT/PATCH request parsing up to the users, which is shitty and has been asked for a long time ago [4]. this means you can't rely on language-level support for basic REST, leaving it up to frameworks/routers.
it's crap like this that moved me on to other languages. PHP7 is fast though, and gets shit done. i'll give it that. i don't see any reason to start a new project with it when you can have node/js/vscode (or better).
[1] http://phpsadness.com/sad/30
[2] http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-internals/14cdp789nk/fix-incor...
[3] http://php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php#l...
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#8Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
PHP7 has improved life when dealing with legacy systems, but I think all in all you're better off not building new stuff in it. There are almost always better tools for the job than PHP, like Django, Rails, Go's net/http, etc. depending on the kind of thing you're writing.
I haven't built anything in it (and rarely touch PHP, aside from some Wordpress ecosystem stuff), but if I were to build a web app in PHP today, I'd build it in Laravel vis-a-vis "raw" PHP.
Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
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Re: Benchmarks of PHP 7.2 Beta: PHP Is Still Getting Faster
#10Honest, sincere, question here: How is programming in PHP these days? I haven't used the language since 4.x-5.2 or so. I wrote it off completely when Hack and HHVM came out due to the nuances between it and PHP proper (not to say either is bad, it was just another barrier, and set of choices I didn't care to deal with). I typically write Ruby, Elixir, and some JVM based languages these days. Any new features or langu…
PHP7 has improved life when dealing with legacy systems, but I think all in all you're better off not building new stuff in it. There are almost always better tools for the job than PHP, like Django, Rails, Go's net/http, etc. depending on the kind of thing you're writing.
>There are almost always better tools for the job than PHP, like Django, Rails, Go's net/http, etc. depending on the kind of thing you're writing.
Except for the time when you are 10 times more proficient in PHP but none of those languages. Then no, none of those languages are better for the job.