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Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by meltaway123 »

dagss wrote: post #9
fleevy wrote: post #4

Do people really still unironically believe in global warming? I mean how gullible can you possibly be.

I am curious: Can you define a set of measurements and a year which, hypothetically, if measured, would convince you that global warming is happening? I.e., if we were to make a bet that both you and an IPCC-groupie like me would be convinced of winning, what would that bet look like? Or would any measurement that shows warming by definition come from a conspiracy?

Miami could be under water but if some jowly blowhard tells them everything is fine and it's all just Big $cience trying to fleece you then they'll believe it.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by meltaway123 »

meltaway123 wrote: post #21
dagss wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious: Can you define a set of measurements and a year which, hypothetically, if measured, would convince you that global warming is happening? I.e., if we were to make a bet that both you and an IPCC-groupie like me would be convinced of winning, what would that bet look like? Or would any measurement that shows warming by definition come from a conspiracy?

Miami could be under water but if some jowly blowhard tells them everything is fine and it's all just Big $cience trying to fleece you then they'll believe it.

In other words: nothing will convince them, because there is more than enough available evidence. It's not a matter of lack of evidence, it's a matter of belief. If evidence were any match for feelings the Dark Ages would've been a bit brighter.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by zitterbewegung »

My personal thought is to make a geoengineering company to perform carbon sequestration. At first you would figure out how to grow large amounts of switchgrass and or algae using some type of automated planting either in deserts or in the ocean. Then start breeding or make GMO plants that would more efficiently sequester carbon. Also, try to make other systems that would lower temperature like a space based shade or changing the albedo of the ground or atmosphere .

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by colordrops »

freshhawk wrote: post #20

So zero political solutions here? Just a list of technological aspects of a solution? How can people not know that the problem here is getting people to do something, it is definitely not that we don't know what to do which is a minor problem in comparison. What about a group who have starving children and will clear-cut a forest to feed them no matter what agreements are in place? How much violence is used to enforc…

Doesn't it seem though that politics is a deadlock, with nations playing a game of chicken that has no winner? It's a case of the tragedy of the commons. No power broker is going to sacrifice their economy or political backers enough to make a difference, as there would always be someone else with a more short term view take advantage of their temporary weakness.

It seems that there is no feasible solution other than technical, however unlikely a technical solution is.

Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming

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Post by meltaway123 »

dagss wrote: post #9
fleevy wrote: post #4

Do people really still unironically believe in global warming? I mean how gullible can you possibly be.

I am curious: Can you define a set of measurements and a year which, hypothetically, if measured, would convince you that global warming is happening? I.e., if we were to make a bet that both you and an IPCC-groupie like me would be convinced of winning, what would that bet look like? Or would any measurement that shows warming by definition come from a conspiracy?

Belief is a hell of a drug.
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