Before proposing multi trillion dollar plans it'd be good to figure out how to model cloud cover and the effects of the oceans.
Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
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Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#12Do people really still unironically believe in global warming? I mean how gullible can you possibly be.
Can you agree that air which is less polluted is a good thing? Or that rich soil which has a variety plant growth is better than a lifeless desert? Or that clean water is better than polluted water? And so on. Much of this boils down to "stop polluting the environment we live in". Focus on means of reducing pollution and the labels (global warming or not) will take care of themselves.
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#13No geoengineering?
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#14Do people really still unironically believe in global warming? I mean how gullible can you possibly be.
I am curious: Can you define a set of measurements and a year which, hypothetically, if measured, would convince you that global warming is happening? I.e., if we were to make a bet that both you and an IPCC-groupie like me would be convinced of winning, what would that bet look like? Or would any measurement that shows warming by definition come from a conspiracy?
I'd need to see a double-blind randomized controlled experiment with tens or hundreds of Earth-like worlds, some with human activity and some without. No n=1 observational study with potentially infinite known and unknown confounding variables can give credible scientific evidence.
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#15I hear often that educating girls will curb population growth in poor countries. Has anyone actually proven that this is a causative relationship and not correlative?
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#16Do people really still unironically believe in global warming? I mean how gullible can you possibly be.
What do you mean? The planet is burning to a crisp. As predicted: – Mt. Kilimanjaro no longer has snow – As CO2 emissions keep rising, global temperatures keep rising, too, without any weird ten-year pauses at all – Intense storm incidence has increased – The Arctic has become ice-free – Polar bears are now extinct
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Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#17I hear often that educating girls will curb population growth in poor countries. Has anyone actually proven that this is a causative relationship and not correlative?
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#18Let's assume that for a moment all their numbers are correct (it's a huge assumption) and let's also assume that they will all be achieved (cough).
Their numbers add up to approximately 100% of 2017 annual fossil fuel emissions.
That means that all of the excess CO2 currently in the atmosphere is beyond the reach of the combined 80 solutions they propose. Greenhouse gas production rates continue to increase (Earth has plenty of semi-natural processes of its own that are only starting to be triggered). You can't double-count these 80 solutions, so they're inadequate to even stop the growth.
"drawdown" seems a misnomer. There's no reversal here, only a slowdown.
This is the most challenging engineering problem ever to confront mankind, and we haven't risen as a species to meet it.
Now, time to get back to the latest ICO, because some things are important.
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am curious: Can you define a set of measurements and a year which, hypothetically, if measured, would convince you that global warming is happening? I.e., if we were to make a bet that both you and an IPCC-groupie like me would be convinced of winning, what would that bet look like? Or would any measurement that shows warming by definition come from a conspiracy?
I'd need to see a double-blind randomized controlled experiment with tens or hundreds of Earth-like worlds, some with human activity and some without. No n=1 observational study with potentially infinite known and unknown confounding variables can give credible scientific evidence.
And you mean to tell me the grant money isn't just pouring in!?
Re: Drawdown: The most comprehensive plan ever proposed to reverse Global Warming
#20So zero political solutions here? Just a list of technological aspects of a solution?
How can people not know that the problem here is getting people to do something, it is definitely not that we don't know what to do which is a minor problem in comparison.
What about a group who have starving children and will clear-cut a forest to feed them no matter what agreements are in place? How much violence is used to enforce this plan and how is it organized? How are these projects funded, where does the money come from and what is done with those who are powerful and won't cooperate?
It is hard enough to get international cooperation now, and as climate related refugee problems multiply exponentially it will not get easier. Technocrats are not saving us here.