What would Steve Jobs do?
Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Legality and morality are different things. Your shareholders may have the right to ask you to fire loads of people, or be a patent troll, but the choice is still yours. But let's be fair, how many individuals, given the choice, would choose making a better world over money ? Probably not event most people in this thread. We are weak creatures.
> We are weak creatures. Ha ha. You're hilarious. On a serious note though, I don't disagree that indeed your statement above is true but because we are weak creatures, we must rely on systems. Making the world a better place is many a time correlated with some sort of validation by consumers in a market based system. I.e. solve problems/make life better or easier for someone, get rewarded by more and more patronage.…
Ah ah. You are not.
Making the world a better place have been done in all levels of society, for money or not.
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#153What would Steve Jobs do?
The same. Disobey the government in china, stop making money.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish. But... Most people don't have the guts. Why would you expect corporation to have it ? This is the reality of the world, most people don't care about making the moral choice and will choose short term benefits. Getting sick over this is like crying because the sky's color displeases you. Spend your energy trying to improve things at your level. This is all you can do.
Well, our level includes working towards agreement in the HN community that aiding in censorship is bad.
Fair enough. But I don't think complaining about it is going to help. Pointing it out yes, but the tone need to be more neutral if you want the crowd from this site to take it seriously.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a business after all and China is a huge market for Apple. No one ever said that capitalism was very aligned with human rights. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> No one ever said that capitalism was very aligned with human rights. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Typical answer I heard in this case is that you can create your own Apple and provide better and cheaper service and respects human rights. (No, in the eyes of mindless capitalists[1] barrier to entry doesn't exist.) [1] By that I mean people who say every single problem on Earth will be forced if only all regulations and governments are…
This problem was clearly created by the Chinese government so it's probably not the best thread for a tirade against a libertarian strawman.
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#156Apple is free to do what it wants, I'm free not to buy their stuff.
Re: Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Users Evade Censorship
#157You cannot do business in China without doing what they tell you. Period. Either you do it or you leave. I work for a big company (you would all know) and we have a large business unit in China, they own 52% of it. They decide what goes in and how customers can use it. We don't get to decide anything without government approval. It's so easy to claim the West shouldn't do what the leadership of China wants in China,…
I suppose there are the questions of law and fiduciary duties.
If it's the law, it's the law. In China, it's the law to remove VPN apps. I suppose it's really not much different than the laws in the US that compel companies to give the government access to my information if they request such access. It's just the law, it's not really Facebook and Google trying to screw me.
All that said, I think what most posters are advocating is maybe for Apple to just leave China.
And, of course, that's where the other shoe drops...
with the question of fiduciary duties.
So yeah... I see your point... because of the legal issues involved, privacy and access can be tough problems. Not just in China or the US, but elsewhere in the world as well.
*EDITS for grammar
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We are weak creatures. Ha ha. You're hilarious. On a serious note though, I don't disagree that indeed your statement above is true but because we are weak creatures, we must rely on systems. Making the world a better place is many a time correlated with some sort of validation by consumers in a market based system. I.e. solve problems/make life better or easier for someone, get rewarded by more and more patronage.…
Ah ah. You are not. Making the world a better place have been done in all levels of society, for money or not.
My reference is to majority of the time and in a sustainable way. If doing good will last, there must also be a way to sustainably compensate the actors; they also need to have their needs taken care of.
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#159Apple is free to do what it wants, I'm free not to buy their stuff.
If you're going to take an "I'll not support Apple cause it complies with Chinese law" position, the ill respect your stance if you stop consuming all Chinese made products. Unless of course you're position is a deeply selective one.
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#160Perhaps some free-speech provision should be part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights