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Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by Inconel »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #60
Inconel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who had a 40+ inch rear projection TV(not a modern LCD/plasma but one of those much larger ones), a couple of very large wood cabinet speakers(probably at least 3.5-4x1x1 feet) and a small mini fridge(still filled with food) all stolen, during daytime hours, from a 20-25 unit multi-story apartment. Anecdotal I know, but I wouldn't assume most people are terribly attentive.

Wear a high-vis vest with "removals, inc." on and you can probably do it and get people to hold doors and things for you.

Funny you say that since it turned out from surveillance footage from another building that the burglars where dressed as movers and loaded all the items into a small moving van that was double parked.

Forget about stealing safes from apartments, I wouldn't be shocked if you could rob an actual bank vault by dressing as a construction crew.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by unkown-unknowns »

jwilk wrote: post #54
unkown-unknowns wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for his own sake wouldn't it be better you told him so that he can either get a burglar proof safe if that's what he wants or get a new fireproof safe that he then doesn't destroy by drilling through it? I know that a lot of people don't appreciate advice though, but still if this relative respects you they should listen.

Out of interest, is the typo in your username deliberate?

Nope, accidental.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by hackbinary »

Inconel wrote: post #61
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wear a high-vis vest with "removals, inc." on and you can probably do it and get people to hold doors and things for you.

Funny you say that since it turned out from surveillance footage from another building that the burglars where dressed as movers and loaded all the items into a small moving van that was double parked. Forget about stealing safes from apartments, I wouldn't be shocked if you could rob an actual bank vault by dressing as a construction crew.

They did, in London. http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2016/03/biggest-jewel-heis...

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

#64

Post by slau »

agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

It probably would have been faster to apply tension to the lock, and then rotate the rows of digits until you find the "binder" (the one that the lock is resting on under tension).

Once you have found the binder, rotate it until you feel the lock open slightly and the digit ring falls into the gate. The digit ring will move freely for about 1.5 digits until it starts to seize again.

Repeat until you've found all the digits. I've done this one a number of occasions to help friends unlock their bikes, or to troll them by changing the combination on their bike.

tl;dr: combination locks suck. Don't use them, ever.

Case in point: https://youtu.be/uMvx0GtfEOk

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

#65

Post by adekok »

agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

When I was 10, I found a rotary bicycle lock + connected chain, locked alone to a post in a park. Having read up on locks even then (god knows how), I tried the method of "pull on it and spin the dials".

About 30 seconds later, it was unlocked.

I used that lock for about 10 years, until I went to University, where the thieves were a bit smarter.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

#67

Post by shasheene »

adekok wrote: post #65
agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

When I was 10, I found a rotary bicycle lock + connected chain, locked alone to a post in a park. Having read up on locks even then (god knows how), I tried the method of "pull on it and spin the dials". About 30 seconds later, it was unlocked. I used that lock for about 10 years, until I went to University, where the thieves were a bit smarter.

Just a note that the lock you found may have not been abandoned.

Many bike posts in my university's undercover bike shed often had several locks without a bike in sight. It turned out many people leaving bike locks on posts they often use (it doesn't take up much space or prevent someone from using the post).

It saves those cyclists the hassle of carrying the the lock with them (only the key), which is particularly an issue with those very heavy bike U-locks and D-locks.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by [deleted] »

adekok wrote: post #65
agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

When I was 10, I found a rotary bicycle lock + connected chain, locked alone to a post in a park. Having read up on locks even then (god knows how), I tried the method of "pull on it and spin the dials". About 30 seconds later, it was unlocked. I used that lock for about 10 years, until I went to University, where the thieves were a bit smarter.

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Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

#69

Post by agumonkey »

slau wrote: post #64
agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

It probably would have been faster to apply tension to the lock, and then rotate the rows of digits until you find the "binder" (the one that the lock is resting on under tension). Once you have found the binder, rotate it until you feel the lock open slightly and the digit ring falls into the gate. The digit ring will move freely for about 1.5 digits until it starts to seize again. Repeat until you've found all the…

That's exactly what I did.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

#70

Post by agumonkey »

adekok wrote: post #65
agumonkey wrote: post #56

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing whe…

When I was 10, I found a rotary bicycle lock + connected chain, locked alone to a post in a park. Having read up on locks even then (god knows how), I tried the method of "pull on it and spin the dials". About 30 seconds later, it was unlocked. I used that lock for about 10 years, until I went to University, where the thieves were a bit smarter.

hehe nice story.

My cherished (and uber low grade) bike was stolen in Paris. The robber didn't bother to find the code, they ripped that tiny cable apart. They were nice enough to leave the bits in a McDonald's bag where the bike was attached (and of course, the McDonald's was just in front of me). Anyway I know have a 2kg keylock chain on my new bike.

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