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Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by pjc50 »

p4lindromica wrote: post #24
donavanm wrote: post #21

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Depends on where you are. UL ratings are used in north america. There are similar EU ratings that I dont recall of hand. TL ratings are for theft/entry resistance. There are other modifiers for fire, water, chemical, etc resistance. Unrated "safes", and even some that are said to be rated, are junk. In NA you want to get in touch with a local safe dealer/specialist. Most of their business is commercial, and they are…

This leads me to believe that if I am renting an apartment, I am SOL.

You think that people are going to be able to steal a safe from an apartment without anyone noticing?

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by thatguy10101 »

unkown-unknowns wrote: post #46
A_Person wrote: post #30

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> Does it matter if I don't bolt it to the floor? It depends on the type of safe. I'm not a locksmith, but I have researched this, and this is how I understand it. There are "security" safes (aka "burglar" safes), and "fireproof" safes. A security safe should be bolted to the floor, to stop the bad guys ripping it out. It comes with pre-drilled holes for that purpose. However, a fireproof safe should not have any thr…

But for his own sake wouldn't it be better you told him so that he can either get a burglar proof safe if that's what he wants or get a new fireproof safe that he then doesn't destroy by drilling through it? I know that a lot of people don't appreciate advice though, but still if this relative respects you they should listen.

"he should listen".

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by [deleted] »

A_Person wrote: post #30
p4lindromica wrote: post #7

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How do I find a UL-security-rated safe? Does it matter if I don't bolt it to the floor?

> Does it matter if I don't bolt it to the floor? It depends on the type of safe. I'm not a locksmith, but I have researched this, and this is how I understand it. There are "security" safes (aka "burglar" safes), and "fireproof" safes. A security safe should be bolted to the floor, to stop the bad guys ripping it out. It comes with pre-drilled holes for that purpose. However, a fireproof safe should not have any thr…

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Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by jwilk »

unkown-unknowns wrote: post #46
A_Person wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does it matter if I don't bolt it to the floor? It depends on the type of safe. I'm not a locksmith, but I have researched this, and this is how I understand it. There are "security" safes (aka "burglar" safes), and "fireproof" safes. A security safe should be bolted to the floor, to stop the bad guys ripping it out. It comes with pre-drilled holes for that purpose. However, a fireproof safe should not have any thr…

But for his own sake wouldn't it be better you told him so that he can either get a burglar proof safe if that's what he wants or get a new fireproof safe that he then doesn't destroy by drilling through it? I know that a lot of people don't appreciate advice though, but still if this relative respects you they should listen.

Out of interest, is the typo in your username deliberate?

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

aqzman wrote: post #50
throwaway76543 wrote: post #17

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A typical front door lock is considerably easier to defeat than the mechanism on one of these safes. Many can be opened in seconds with a bump key or other pick tools.

No kidding! I recently picked up lock picking as a hobby, and it really makes me realize just how insecure most locks really are. I'm a total beginner and I'm able to pick some locks in seconds.

Most regular houses I've lived in (in Australia) could be trivially and discretely broken in to with a jemmy bar (crowbar).

My neighbour had his two jet skis stolen from his carport on a weekday, they were chained to a post.

The auto shop across from my work had their delivery ute stolen from inside the building while six staff were an open door way away.

I caught someone sitting in my car trying to start it with a screwdriver. I nearly asked him if he wanted me to show him how it's done.

I keep telling my partner not to leave her laptops and cashbox visible from the windows and to lock the front door when she's in the bathroom or backyard.

People I thought were my friends have stolen from me.

Unless you have something worth protecting and the budget to protect it... Security is a hopeless mess.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by agumonkey »

Last month I had the disappointing surprise of finding a lock on my bike. I forgot I put it (it's been years since I last used it). And it's not a key lock.. so I'm screwed. Not willing to cut the cable.. I decided to brute force it. 999 space is fun. Luckily you quickly find similar tips than the alignment one to speed up the process. And since it's not a full rotary lock, I could also "DDR" the tests by testing when going from 0 to 9 then from 9 to 0. 5 minutes later and 800 attempts I was lifting my bike like a king. Until I realize the rear tire was dead. TL;DR; do not succomb to the seductive power of cryptanalysis.. check rubber first !

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

DrScump wrote: post #35
bradgessler wrote: post #32

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- "You shouldn't have been driving a car without bullet proof glass" Yeah, this attitude in the Bay Area has also befuddled me too. Its the victims fault.

Bear in mind that local governments view property crime as a form of economic stimulus. You'll be spending money to replace the stolen items, presumably some of that locally, and on repairs, presumably all locally. Meanwhile, whatever money the criminals get back in selling the stolen items (and subsequent profits by their fences) will also presumably be spent locally.

I mildly subscribe to this believe too, however it's more likely the police in (highly populated?) areas don't have the time / budget to thoroughly investigate everything.

Properly crime + little evidence = contact you're insurer thanks have a nice day.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #19
maxerickson wrote: post #18

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Beyond the "un", what's the difference in San Francisco?

Quite a few burglars only do unforced entries.

Unforced entry and taking a small number of objects from cupboards / filing cabinets / draws / jewellery boxes could go unnoticed for days or weeks.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by Inconel »

pjc50 wrote: post #51
p4lindromica wrote: post #24

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This leads me to believe that if I am renting an apartment, I am SOL.

You think that people are going to be able to steal a safe from an apartment without anyone noticing?

I have a friend who had a 40+ inch rear projection TV(not a modern LCD/plasma but one of those much larger ones), a couple of very large wood cabinet speakers(probably at least 3.5-4x1x1 feet) and a small mini fridge(still filled with food) all stolen, during daytime hours, from a 20-25 unit multi-story apartment.

Anecdotal I know, but I wouldn't assume most people are terribly attentive.

Re: Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Inconel wrote: post #59
pjc50 wrote: post #51

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You think that people are going to be able to steal a safe from an apartment without anyone noticing?

I have a friend who had a 40+ inch rear projection TV(not a modern LCD/plasma but one of those much larger ones), a couple of very large wood cabinet speakers(probably at least 3.5-4x1x1 feet) and a small mini fridge(still filled with food) all stolen, during daytime hours, from a 20-25 unit multi-story apartment. Anecdotal I know, but I wouldn't assume most people are terribly attentive.

Wear a high-vis vest with "removals, inc." on and you can probably do it and get people to hold doors and things for you.
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