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Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

c22 wrote: post #234
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #217

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Most people will never be in an airbag deploying crash in their lives. Of the minority that will very few will be in the kind of crash where a (frontal) airbag is what prevents them from serious harm. If OEMs would just be less trigger happy with frontal airbag deployment then I'd be satisfied but the problem with that is that then you get the Concerned Mothers Association(TM) complaining about OEMs not doing everyth…

When I slammed into an oncoming left turning car at 50mph I was not wearing a seatbelt, my Subaru rolled completely over and the front airbag deployed. I left the accident with minor lacerations and no broken bones or major bruising. In 20 years of driving airbag equipped cars this has been my only experience of an airbag deployment. So far I'm a happy customer.

Wear your goddamn seatbelt.

You are an edge case.

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

rebootthesystem wrote: post #150
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #118

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You're right but your supporting evidence is applied wrong. People survive crashes in racing regardless of speed not because the crashes typically take place over a long period of time but because they have a seat that fits them well, straps keeping them in it and heat restraints. Also, going off track is not crashing.

You missed my point: Speed does not kill. Going off track at 120 MPH was not fun. Dirt, rocks, slashed two tires. Beyond that it was uneventful. The speed just makes it last longer and probably contributed to the huge holes on the tires. You can have a crash on the highway at 100 MPH and have it be just an uneventful other than a crunched-up car. It's a function of the delta in speed AND the delta in acceleration, an…

>You missed my point: Speed does not kill.

No, we're agreeing on that.

I'm saying that most of the benefit in a typical racing situation comes from seats and restraints. Look at some of the wrecks from the cup series race last weekend at Indianapolis. They're not walking away because the wreck took a long time. They're walking away because they weren't bouncing around inside.

The human body can survive plenty of G forces.

http://www.ejectionsite.com/stapp.htm

"Stapp'd endured 25 Gs. It was the equivalent of a Mach 1.6 ejection at 40,000 feet, a jolt in excess of that experienced by a driver who crashes into a red brick wall at over 120 miles per hour. Only it had lasted perhaps nine times longer. And it had burst nearly every capillary in Stapp's eyeballs. "

"Stapp had already proven what he'd set out to prove: that a pilot, if adequately protected, could survive a high speed, high altitude ejection"

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by c22 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #241
c22 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I slammed into an oncoming left turning car at 50mph I was not wearing a seatbelt, my Subaru rolled completely over and the front airbag deployed. I left the accident with minor lacerations and no broken bones or major bruising. In 20 years of driving airbag equipped cars this has been my only experience of an airbag deployment. So far I'm a happy customer.

Wear your goddamn seatbelt. You are an edge case.

But isn't spontaneous deployment of airbags causing grave injury also an edge case? [1]

Not only do I wear a seatbelt since that incident but I'm also, by orders of magnitude, a more conscientious driver than I was prior.

[1] https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/...

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by burgreblast »

cr0sh wrote: post #210

Well - it's nice to finally see another potential player in this arena; we've seen this one I think: http://workhorse.com/pickup/ But both of these are well outside of my price range. But it has to start somewhere. The thing I've feared/worried about when it has come to the push for electric, and self-driving vehicles, and the recent rumblings by France and the UK to ban ICE vehicles in the near future - is that thos…

Thanks for sharing that link. You can see from the product that neither the CEO (Adlink), President (Gannett), Dir or Eng (P&G) have any experience with vehicles.

I love that they are doing a hybrid stepside truck chassis with BMW engines but I hope they have something else. A public NASDAQ company that has $90M in paid-in capital but only $10M cash now, had better sell to stay alive. I hope they do. The basic idea is good; they need to execute.

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Post by waiseristy »

nine_k wrote: post #125
ams6110 wrote: post #37

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It's a pretty pointless car, and unlikely to ever be available to buy.

The error here is in the word "car". It's a truck .

I don't think this is a truck either, an SUV would probably be more appropriate of a label.

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Post by nine_k »

waiseristy wrote: post #245
nine_k wrote: post #125

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The error here is in the word "car". It's a truck .

I don't think this is a truck either, an SUV would probably be more appropriate of a label.

If a Land Rover classic is a SUV, this thing is, too.

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Post by Keeblo »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #238
lb1lf wrote: post #222

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> You can easily haul lumber on almost any vehicle with a roof rack. -You can easily haul very limited quantities of lumber on almost any vehicle with a roof rack. I've tried once to put the maximum legal (well, in Norway, at any rate) weight of 200kg/450lbs on my Land Cruiser's roof rack, just to see how it affected handling. I've only felt more nervous in a car once, and that was in a Congolese taxi seemingly bent…

Pretty sad for something called a "Land Rover." Re: what you said about wagons, I think the Subaru Outback is actually the most practical ICE vehicle out there. Pretty high clearance, very powerful engine, great towing capacity, good roof rack options, ample trunk space, and low centre of gravity. I just wish they made one with an electric motor and a plug.

I think that you're confusing "Land Rover" and "Land Cruiser".

Land Rover vehicles are made by Jaguar Land Rover. The term "Land Rover" usually refers to either the Land Rover Defender (a bulky, tractor-looking SUV that isn't legal in the USA* due to a lack of safety features and emissions controls) or a variety of luxury SUVs that are remarkably good off-road but suffer from questionable reliability.

Land Cruisers are made by Toyota. The term "Land Cruiser" can refer to two totally separate Toyota vehicles. The J20, J40, and J70 models are known for being incredibly sturdy, reliable, and versatile vehicles, while the J50, J60, J80, J100, and J200 models are luxury SUVs; the J200 has a base MSRP of USD$86,000. Toyota doesn't sell the rugged, non-luxury models in the USA, although unlike in the case of the Land Rover Defender this may be more due to market analysis than legality.

There's no way to know from the original comment whether they were driving a rugged Land Cruiser or a luxury Land Cruiser. I've never driven either of them, but I'm sure that they behave very differently.

*Yes, I know that the person who commented specified that they were in Norway. I'm just adding the bit about Land Rovers not being legal in the USA (with a few exceptions) so that Americans like myself won't be scratching their heads trying to remember what Defenders look like :-)

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by stephengillie »

freehunter wrote: post #77
stephengillie wrote: post #7

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An electric drivetrain is incongruent with traditional truck marketing, apparently. A great deal of this is in the visceral sensation of proximity to a powerful engine - the loud noises, the excessive exhaust, the overbearing atmospheric vibrations, etc. Frustrating in that the most realistic option is retrofitting an existing electric car drivetrain to a small truck frame.

None of that is what any truck marketing is about. Have you seen truck commercials or ridden in a brand new, unmodified truck? There is no loud noise, no vibrations (overbearing or not), virtually no noticeable exhaust. Modern consumer trucks are luxury vehicles, properly isolated from the outside world. Smooth, quiet rides and cushy feeling interiors. Car-like handling. That's what truck marketing is, and that's how…

Currently driving an old, rebranded S-10, with a 2.6L engine. Daily driver, weekly 120mi trips, occasional adventure/event/offroad/bad city streets/"need to rescue this person" vehicle, and occasional cargo vehicle aka "Guy with a truck".

An S-10 weighs about as much as a Camry or Prius, and uses a similar drivetrain. The engine of this rebranded S-10 is parts-compatible with a Dodge 600 of the same era.

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by donavanm »

I really want one. Theres no reasonable modern adventure/utility truck on the market. Icons are nice but $$$. Same for all the other modern after market conversions. Like many others Ive settled on a 30 year old truck (4runner/hilux surf) for this niche.

but... the complex suspension worries me. Fungibility or flexibility yes, but massive adjustability sounds fragile and complex. Dual drive sure, but it must have some sort of LSD. Which isnt mentuoned. 200 miles is a really short range. I can do 300+ on my stock tank and its not enough. Last 4 day weekend in the cascades/palouse/okanogan was about 700 miles. Practical recharging in the rural/wilds is .... unlikely.

As mentioned until theres real capital and manufacturing this is vaporware. Im also skeptical of $60,000, I'll bet real money against that. Icon, a small batch truck manufacturer with real product, is more like $100-150,00 and up.

Edit: entry and exit angles look nice. Real curious how that "plate" style chassis handles flex.

Re: Bollinger B1: An electric truck with 360HP and up to 200 mile range

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Post by jameshart »

Keeblo wrote: post #247
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sad for something called a "Land Rover." Re: what you said about wagons, I think the Subaru Outback is actually the most practical ICE vehicle out there. Pretty high clearance, very powerful engine, great towing capacity, good roof rack options, ample trunk space, and low centre of gravity. I just wish they made one with an electric motor and a plug.

I think that you're confusing "Land Rover" and "Land Cruiser". Land Rover vehicles are made by Jaguar Land Rover. The term "Land Rover" usually refers to either the Land Rover Defender (a bulky, tractor-looking SUV that isn't legal in the USA* due to a lack of safety features and emissions controls) or a variety of luxury SUVs that are remarkably good off-road but suffer from questionable reliability. Land Cruisers a…

For any Americans who are now curious, what Land Rover Defenders look like is.. kind of like the Bollinger B1 :)
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