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Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by mrisoli »

dopeboy wrote: post #10
fareesh wrote: post #8

I'm spending all my free time with Phoenix. I come from a Rails, Laravel, Django and a bit of .NET Core background. So far I am extremely impressed. I'm surprised it has not been adopted by that many folks in production.

I'm a django guy. I have no experience with functional programming. What would a transition to phoenix + elixir look like for me?

As a Ruby/Rails guy, here's my experience(summary):

I came to Ruby from Java, I wrote Ruby code like Java code at the start, it runs, but it is bad, once I really learned to write Ruby code it became a billion times better.

Same thing happened to Elixir, my first few lines of Elixir were very similar to Ruby, similar syntax makes this possible, but I missed the real gains from Elixir this way.

There are quite a few functional programming concepts to learn, but once I finally clicked what pattern matching was all about Elixir programming went from enjoyable to amazing, if you can work functional programming concepts your way you can do a lot.

That said, don't worry about it unless it is critical for your job, do your code, once all the concepts click in it gets way better, spend some time with pure Elixir, it pays off just as much as it pays to a Rails developer to understand what Ruby is all about.

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by gregpardo »

I actually love the domain driven work done in this release. I think it was a bold move from the team and breaks them even further away from Rails on EVM that people tend to think.

I have been bit so many times with trying to figure out where to put things like authentication/registration in a traditional MVC rails like app.

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by sotojuan »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #9
fareesh wrote: post #8

I'm spending all my free time with Phoenix. I come from a Rails, Laravel, Django and a bit of .NET Core background. So far I am extremely impressed. I'm surprised it has not been adopted by that many folks in production.

Shhh, the first rule of Phoenix Club is that you don't tell everyone that it is the best web stack out there.

Far, far too late for that here in HN :-)

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by dqv »

abledon wrote: post #25
dqv wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll have a phase of disorientation where you'll be wishing you had x feature in Django and the reverse where you'll wish you had y feature in Phoenix/Elixir. The thing I really miss from Django is the admin scaffolding. Phoenix just isn't there. In practice, you could continue to use Django as a front-end. I moved away from Django when the recurring question of "this is neat, but how do I make it keep going no mat…

Could you give some examples of 'neat' things that needed to keep going no matter what on django (thus switching to Phoenix)

I should have said Python instead of Django.

The problem is that I was/still am a rookie of a programmer. I could not wrap my head around async in Python. I just wasn't getting it. I had a nagging sense that it was going to fail in the middle of the night and there was nothing I could do about it.

So, enter Elixir, which actually has a syntax that is kind of close to Python. It made immediate sense. If you want to do something that can cause the program to fail, do it in a process and send a message back with the result. If the program spawning the process fails, the supervisor will restart it!

Sorry - back to your question - and this will probably disatisfy you, but the answer is that everything was neat. It was just simple CRUD stuff, but doing it in Python didn't feel "robust" enough.

I'm fully aware that my reasons are superficial, but the way Elixir works has made me way more confident as a programmer.

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by Tistel »

We are using Elixir and Phoenix. Its amazbalz. The properties of the erlang VM (100k processes, individually garbage collected etc) are going to make it a killer platform. (edited)

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by softwarelimits »

Phoenix is great! I only wish there was one recommended way for authentication and authorization - there are so many [1] different libraries that I got stuck in researching the options - I am confused, do not know which one to use. What is your preferred way? I would like to avoid to implement every little detail on my own - to get security done right was the main reason for me using open source libraries.

It would be great if there was one official way to make it easier to implement app security with the framework. I feel that this is the only missing part in phoenix - but it is a very important one.

BTW: does anybody know some tool that generates a phoenix api from a json-schema? Thanks!

[0] https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir#authentication

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by asdf1234 »

dopeboy wrote: post #10
fareesh wrote: post #8

I'm spending all my free time with Phoenix. I come from a Rails, Laravel, Django and a bit of .NET Core background. So far I am extremely impressed. I'm surprised it has not been adopted by that many folks in production.

I'm a django guy. I have no experience with functional programming. What would a transition to phoenix + elixir look like for me?

I've used both and honestly it probably wouldn't change much. Unless you're building an application that deals with tons of persistent connections and websockets there aren't really that many advantages. The Python ecosystem is also much, much bigger than the Erlang and Elixir ecosystem and it has far more mature libraries.

If you really want to learn a functional programming language I'd strongly suggest looking at Haskell, Ocaml or F#. Functional programming only really starts to shine with a good static type system and dialyzer simply doesn't cut it.

Re: Phoenix 1.3.0 Released

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Post by bnchrch »

GiorgioG wrote: post #29
bnchrch wrote: post #15

I've been working professionally in Elixir/Phoenix for the past 4 months. Summary: It's amazingly productive, pleasant to work with and simple. Coming from a background spanning Python/Django, C#/.net and Node/Express I really believe it blows them out of the water. Thank you for all the hardwork of the Phoenix team and the amazing community you've made.

As a .NET developer by day, I'm curious what you like about Elixir over C#/.NET? I have a copy of Elixir in Action on my nightstand, I just haven't had a chance to crack it open yet.

Pattern Matching makes it easy to write small, understandable code

The Concurrency Model is simple to the point where creating a whole pubsub system to handle events, push out notifications, and handles backpressure can be done in Finally the pipe operator is like C#'s LINQ statements but with so much more power and flexibility, hard to explain but I highly recommend cracking open that book on your nightstand!

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