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Why so much hatred?

#1
I was looking to integrate payments on my website and contacted Stripe. Stripe referred me to another payment processor named PaymentCloud Inc.

A senior account manager, Mr. R, sent me an email asking to fill out an application.

Yesterday evening I got a call from Mr. R’s office. I picked the phone and realized that he had made the call by mistake, I also realized that Mr. R and his two women colleagues are having a conversation about my application. What followed was a real surprise to me. I heard them making racial and derogatory comments about India, Cricket, IT and my background.

The incident left me with couple of questions:

- Why so much hatred against someone who you haven’t met or even talked to for God’s sake.

- While filling the application I gave them my personal information including EIN, SSN, License. Now I am worried about that, is there anything I can do?

Re: Why so much hatred?

#2
It's sounds like plain racism. It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job, but I wouldn't worry too much about personal info.

What I've noticed is that India is a really big place and the spectrum consists of some of the smartest people you'll ever meet and some of the absolute dumbest people.

Unfortunately, most people only really have access to the dumb ones. So they extrapolate that into a stereotype of all Indians.

I guess there's not much to do but keep going. I'm not sure whether you can report the incident to anyone, but it sounds awfully difficult without evidence.

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post #2

It's sounds like plain racism. It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job, but I wouldn't worry too much about personal info. What I've noticed is that India is a really big place and the spectrum consists of some of the smartest people you'll ever meet and some of the absolute dumbest people. Unfortunately, most people only really have access to the dumb ones. So they extrapolate that into a stereotype of all…

"It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job" can you please elaborate?

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#4
You will find hate everywhere. The US, UK, India and Czech Republics are, broadly, multicultural success stories, but you can find absurd hate, murder, and terrorism in all of those places.

Despite the talk that "coders are masters of the universe", "girls should learn to code", "Mark Cuban wants you to learn machine learning", software development is a labor intensive business (I see managers with a $120k a month payroll wringing their hands over a $9k a month AWS spend) and labor-management conflict as real as it is for coal miners, longshoremen, hotel workers, fast-food workers, etc.

IT workers in many parts of the U.S. have seen operations and jobs go to India. Some Indian companies execute very well, but some do not and then we see the double whammy that IT workers lose their jobs and then system failures have a negative impact on remaining workers, customers, investors, etc.

In terms of call centers, sometimes you talk to an Indian person for customer support and you get great results, but often you don't. Worse, I have received many calls in the last two years from people from India who want to steal my money on the pretense of being the U.S. tax authority or take over my computer and I read that this experience is common. Now many call centers are moving to the Philippines because U.S. citizens can't place the accent.

(Note it is a big labor conflict because displaced coal miners and manufacturing workers and their families could be doing this sort of work. I think of many black people who got into call centers in the south in the 1980s who are great at what they do.)

That said, hate is not good for business. Should you hate your customers, employees, suppliers, partners, community, government? No. There is not profit in that.

If I were you I would contact the supervisors of those people and tell them what happened. That kind of behavior hurts their business directly, probably more than it hurts you.

If I was the supervisor I would probably not fire the people immediately but I would put them on warning, let everyone know this behavior is unacceptable, and if it happened again they would be out.

What they do is up to them, but you should put the ball in their court.

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post #2

It's sounds like plain racism. It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job, but I wouldn't worry too much about personal info. What I've noticed is that India is a really big place and the spectrum consists of some of the smartest people you'll ever meet and some of the absolute dumbest people. Unfortunately, most people only really have access to the dumb ones. So they extrapolate that into a stereotype of all…

"It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job" can you please elaborate?

Well more in regards to racism. General racism hurts the people of the race that is discriminated against.

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#6
Saying "hate is everywhere, it's life" isn't the right approach. If I were you and if this story happens to be true, I'd simply pick up the phone and call their office. I'd ask to talk to Mr. R directly. Then I'd simply tell him that someone butt-dialed you the other day and that you heard racist comments about you. Ask him if he's aware of that.

What does it do? Well, next time Mr. R will make racist comments, he will always remember this embarrassing moment. Racism will be tied to an embarrassing moment and that is exactly how you want him to feel like. Who knows? Maybe he'll think twice next time before opening his mouth. React and go straight at the source of the problem, don't be passive...

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post #6

Saying "hate is everywhere, it's life" isn't the right approach. If I were you and if this story happens to be true, I'd simply pick up the phone and call their office. I'd ask to talk to Mr. R directly. Then I'd simply tell him that someone butt-dialed you the other day and that you heard racist comments about you. Ask him if he's aware of that. What does it do? Well, next time Mr. R will make racist comments, he wi…

this would have the biggest impact overall. it would potentially change Mr R's attitude and effect others as well. a single ripple of honesty.

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post #2

It's sounds like plain racism. It will probably hurt your odds of getting a job, but I wouldn't worry too much about personal info. What I've noticed is that India is a really big place and the spectrum consists of some of the smartest people you'll ever meet and some of the absolute dumbest people. Unfortunately, most people only really have access to the dumb ones. So they extrapolate that into a stereotype of all…

> spectrum consists of some of the smartest people you'll ever meet and some of the absolute dumbest people

Wouldn't that be true for every country ?

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#9
post #6

Saying "hate is everywhere, it's life" isn't the right approach. If I were you and if this story happens to be true, I'd simply pick up the phone and call their office. I'd ask to talk to Mr. R directly. Then I'd simply tell him that someone butt-dialed you the other day and that you heard racist comments about you. Ask him if he's aware of that. What does it do? Well, next time Mr. R will make racist comments, he wi…

Nice idea in theory. I'd add the caveat though that being abused very likely is a humiliating experience, one which might induce feelings of powerlessness and self-consciousness, which might in turn make it difficult to confront the aggressor in the tone you are advocating. If the OP wants to do this, great, but I'd say that, if he chooses not to, he could be forgiven for being "passive" in this case.

Re: Why so much hatred?

#10
Good Morning ankitsoni,

My name is Michael Wright, I am the VP of Sales at PaymentCloud Inc. I was alerted to your thread and wanted to take a minute to respond. This incident is absolutely not in line with our corporate philosophy and an issue that we take very seriously.

I would implore you to call our main office and request to be directed to me so we can discuss the issue and take appropriate action. I agree with PaulHoule below that "hate is not good for business" on many different levels.

Just to touch on your second point, I can assure you that your personal information is secure. We do not share, transmit, or distribute any personal data from our merchants and is only accessed inside our secure underwriting and risk environment.

I look forward to speaking with you and taking the necessary steps to resolve this issue.

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