this is incredibly fascinating and insightful.
side question: who composed the music? the guitar track is excellent. :)
The Evolution of Trust
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a tremendous amount of social technology that had to be developed to allow people to regularly interact with strangers without trying to kill each other. EDIT: Which is to say, a global community of 7 billion is absurd but not all that much more absurd than a city-state of 50 thousand.
There's an intriguing but hard to prove theory that some popular religions (Christianity, Buddhism) arose as cities became more populous, and in response to that. Part of your "social technology". Perhaps we'll soon see a new religion?
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#53this is incredibly fascinating and insightful. side question: who composed the music? the guitar track is excellent. :)
there's a list of music/sound credits on the github page: https://github.com/ncase/trust/#play-it-here-httpncasemetrus...
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trust, however, is not a miracle drug. For one thing, people can build trust with the intend to abuse it after a longer period of time. An abuser, for example, could plan to offer 20 "good rides" on Uber until s/he strikes. For another thing, many people have learnt to skillfully simulate trust which may pose a problem for you. For instance, you may believe to be in a loving relationship but all of a sudden you find…
The book "Phishing for Phools" has a good chapter on "reputation mining", which is essentially that, with the added wrinkle that you can buy a company that has a good reputation and cut corners until the customers wise up. I'm looking at you, InBev.
I believe the term of art is "Extracting the value from the brand".
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#55Wow that is extremely insightful. Now I understand why globalisation is dangerous; if people start to favor short term relationships (both personal and business) with many different partners (smaller number of rounds per match ), then society will evolve to become full of cheaters.
How does have anything to do with globalization, vs having a lot more to do with directed news reporting and mass media?
Because it is so easy to change your business partners that it is unlikely reputation will have a negative impact on your welfare.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly enough, seemingly to compensate for this phenomenon, almost every new platform that requires people to interact with each other has a built in trust and reward system with ratings (e.g. Uber). And for physical businesses, we have things like Yelp. We are effectively trying to anticipate our opponents behavior through a trusted intermediary. There was a Black Mirror episode on giving every person on the…
I don't trust yelp reviews ever since I learned that you can pay to remove bad ones.
A clear economic incentive to cheaters or a way to give a weight to mistakes? Does yelp use an algorithm to weight the thing or use the mechanism only as a source of income?
> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate
The economic incentive to encourage cheaters is the reason why the "trusted intermediary" should always be verified.
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#57Of course, this all breaks down when you have a cartel :) I recall in one of the major prisoners dilemma tournaments, the winning entry was actually a coalition of users who would use the first few moves to establish a code for membership in the cartel, and then one entry was the master while the others were slaves. The slaves always cooperated and the master always defected, to their victory.
Indeed, the major weakness of the linked piece is that it doesn't account for any kind of social structure or any class behaviour. Which, in my book, makes it fairly worthless as an analysis of actual social behaviour.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a tremendous amount of social technology that had to be developed to allow people to regularly interact with strangers without trying to kill each other. EDIT: Which is to say, a global community of 7 billion is absurd but not all that much more absurd than a city-state of 50 thousand.
There's an intriguing but hard to prove theory that some popular religions (Christianity, Buddhism) arose as cities became more populous, and in response to that. Part of your "social technology". Perhaps we'll soon see a new religion?
On that topic Harari's Homo Deus is a pretty interesting read. He argues that Humanism is the de facto "new" (2-3 centuries old) religion. Soon to be replace by the celebration of something even more global -- data.
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#59Of course, this all breaks down when you have a cartel :) I recall in one of the major prisoners dilemma tournaments, the winning entry was actually a coalition of users who would use the first few moves to establish a code for membership in the cartel, and then one entry was the master while the others were slaves. The slaves always cooperated and the master always defected, to their victory.
Indeed, the major weakness of the linked piece is that it doesn't account for any kind of social structure or any class behaviour. Which, in my book, makes it fairly worthless as an analysis of actual social behaviour.
Not worthless. This has some clear assumptions on what holds. He looks at individuals playing a certain game, with no outside information. What the parent describes is two games: 1. Prisoners dilemma between each "slave" and the "master" 2. The actual tournament
Re: The Evolution of Trust
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's an intriguing but hard to prove theory that some popular religions (Christianity, Buddhism) arose as cities became more populous, and in response to that. Part of your "social technology". Perhaps we'll soon see a new religion?
On that topic Harari's Homo Deus is a pretty interesting read. He argues that Humanism is the de facto "new" (2-3 centuries old) religion. Soon to be replace by the celebration of something even more global -- data.
Our Data, Who art in the Cloud, hallowed be Thy Index, Thy Algocracy come, Thy Classification be done, in IoT as it is in the Cloud, lead us not into Underfitting, but deliver us from Anecdotal Reasoning. For Thine is the algocracy and the market share and the celebrity: of the Network, and of the Server, and of the Holy Algorithm, DateTime.Now() and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.