Can someone explain to me how you can find that people with mental disorders are no more likely to consume high sugar than people without, but also find that people with high sugar intake are more likely to develop mental disorders?
High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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From the beginning of the article... > Although previous studies have found an increased risk of depression with higher consumption of added sugars, none examined the role of ‘reverse causation’. If people with anxiety and/or depression tended to consume more sugary foods and drinks, this could be the real reason why a link between sugar intake and poorer mental health is observed. Although the study looked for this…
That really doesn't mean much. Let group S be sugar eaters. Let group A be all people w/o mental disorders. Let group B be all people w/ mental disorders. We have the main correlation between sugar and mental disorder: p[A/S] Using bayes rule: p[A]p[S/A] We also have "men and women with mental disorders were not more likely to consume more sugar": p[S/A] >= p[S/B] Comparing the inequalities gives us: p[A] So you're m…
>p[A/S] This doesn't follow. Just because mental disorders are correlated with sugar doesn't mean that most sugar eaters have mental disorders.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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Does your plant-based diet include bread/carbs, and did you stick with the keto diet for more than a few days? Usually when people feel like crap (initially) on keto it's their bodies switching over from primarily burning sugar to primarily burning fat, but it subsides after a few hours/days depending on the person/diet (look up "keto flu"). Note that keto does not necessarily include meat. You'd get the same effect…
I eat complex carbs like brown rice. I avoid refined carbs. I did keto for two weeks and finally had to stop because I felt worse and hated what I was eating. To be clear I was eating the kind of keto diet I usually see people endorse which is very heavy in animal fat and protein. In contrast I’ve been purely plant based for three weeks now and I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in my mood and energy levels. I’ve los…
I've switched to a diet that is mostly plant based with small portions of meat occasionally and low carb intake. I don't agree that "plant based" is the reason you feel better but I do think not eating huge quantities of meat and carbohydrates/sugar causes your body to be a little more accommodating.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
#54I'm curious if this includes unprocessed fructose, glucose, lactose, etc. I eat quite a bit of fruit, but my refined sugar intake is much lower than it used to be due to making an effort to cut sugary things out of my life (unless eaten with intention).
What bothers me is there's no magical "processing" that does anything to these simple sugars. Fructose is... a 20 atom molecule? There's no magical processing that makes that molecule any different inside a fruit or in honey or in corn syrup.
So either the problem is the characteristics of a single food item (ratio of sugar, fiber, fat, etc.), some magical byproduct of processing that makes up a very tiny fraction of the food, or (more likely correct) the ratios that make up the diet as a whole. Carb/fat/protein ratio seems important as does the ratios of which carbs. Demonizing sugar or "refined" sugar seems ridiculous, encouraging proportional consumption makes sense.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…
> If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all Source? Because all of this seems to show otherwise: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23306319 http://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/2/518.full http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/can... > Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance Just because we have evolved eating me…
Look, you can be on a ketogenic diet and not eat meat at all. I eat a few ounces a day. I could easily not eat any at all and still maintain a high fat ketogenic diet, but I enjoy the flavor.
I also have read plenty of studies that contradict the ones above. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong. But I find medical statistical studies very hard to interpret because they don't control for all the factors and the data is not super reliable. Often the conclusions seem excessive given the data that is actually there.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…
> If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all Source? Because all of this seems to show otherwise: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23306319 http://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1957 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/2/518.full http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/can... > Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance Just because we have evolved eating me…
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Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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The more refined the source the faster it enters your bloodstream. That said, You should eat the fruit rather than consuming a juice. At any rate the glucose uptake is generally lower with fruits, even if juiced (but whole fruits with fiber still intact are best). The rate at which simple sugars enter the blood is considered one of the primary problems, as this leads to a number of metabolic problems and higher gener…
> At any rate the glucose uptake is generally lower with fruits, even if juiced Fruit is typically a source of fructose, which uses a different metabolic pathway to glucose. Fructose is processed via the liver and converted into glycogen for energy storage. That said, juice is definitely worse than whole fruit as you typically use several serves of fruit for a single serve of juice. Rarely would anyone eat 3-5 whole…
>Fruit is typically a source of fructose
The ratio of glucose to fructose in HFCS, honey, and most fruits is about the same. Some fruits have more glucose than fructose, some have less, but the ratio for almost all of them is less than 2:1.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…
I really hate this argument. On one hand Keto advocates cry about the grain and sugar lobby, on the other they don't even consider the massive outreach the livestock lobby has and their interest in pushing this diet. Even organic meat and animal products don't come without health risks and it comes at substantial cost to our environment.
You don't have to eat a lot of meat on this diet. I've been on the diet for years, have read a lot of information on it (fortunately it's been used for medical purposes for over 100 years so there is plenty of material). I personally eat a few ounces a day because I enjoy it. But it could easily be left out, I'd just have to get my protein elsewhere.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
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I eat complex carbs like brown rice. I avoid refined carbs. I did keto for two weeks and finally had to stop because I felt worse and hated what I was eating. To be clear I was eating the kind of keto diet I usually see people endorse which is very heavy in animal fat and protein. In contrast I’ve been purely plant based for three weeks now and I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in my mood and energy levels. I’ve los…
I've switched to a diet that is mostly plant based with small portions of meat occasionally and low carb intake. I don't agree that "plant based" is the reason you feel better but I do think not eating huge quantities of meat and carbohydrates/sugar causes your body to be a little more accommodating.
The link between consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol with cardiovascular disease is extremely well established so I don't think it's a coincidence that I feel this much better after cutting them out of my diet.
Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders
#60It might be just as well that increased sugar intake is caused by mental disorders, as a form of self-medication. In my case for example, my sugar consumption fell drastically since I received ADHD medications. It turns out I was using sugar as a stimulant/calming agent for years, and no doctor properly figured it out.
> no doctor properly figured it out. You wanted a doctor to figure out you ate too many donuts and candy because of your ADHD? That's pretty tough considering most people eat too much sugar just because.... it is good. Also it is easy as hell for EVERYONE to give up sugar once you are ADHD meds because they have a great appetite suppression effect. That's not a special effect of mental disorders.
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