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Re: Higher-paid, faster-growing tech jobs are concentrating in 8 US hubs

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Post by dkhenry »

40acres wrote: post #5

Can anyone speak to.the job market in the DC metro? I've been thinking a lot about moving back to the east coast and DC seems like a decent trade off between cost of living and interesting jobs (compared to my home NYC). What kind of jobs are in DC, what's the salary range like?

I just moved from Philadelphia to DC for a job, and I am still biased towards Philadelphia. The jobs I see around here seem to be slanted towards government and non profits.

The biggest problem is the absurd high cost of living, Housing prices are high for miles out of the city, and they spike along all the major forms of transportation. Unless you like sitting in traffic for hours a day you will be paying a premium for housing. Traffic is also a mess.

It has been my experience that you would be much better off in Boston, NYC, or Philadelphia ( I would check out Philly, very low cost of living and a burgeoning tech scene )

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Post by tmaly »

Benjammer wrote: post #11

They looked at tech job listings as a percentage of ALL job listings in cities with a population over 1 million. How does that show a "tech hub"? I would bet NYC has more total tech jobs (as well as open listings) than a lot of the "tech hubs" on the list.

I was just wondering why NYC was not on that list. Baltimore is very close to DC, is it really two different regions?

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Post by bognition »

ynniv wrote: post #12

I get that you work with what you have (in this case, a corpus of job postings), but a ranking that places Baltimore in the top three tech hubs fails the sniff test. CBRE has a better list here (email registration wall): https://www.cbre.com/research-and-reports/Scoring-Tech-Talen... I'm biased in that it places Atlanta unusually high, but overall it is a better, less surprising ranking: Bay Area Seattle New York Was…

Yeah, theres something wrong here. It put Orem/Provo on the list when all of the tech jobs in Utah are actually further north. Mainly in Lehi and Salt Lake City.

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Post by ynniv »

frandroid wrote: post #15
ynniv wrote: post #12

I get that you work with what you have (in this case, a corpus of job postings), but a ranking that places Baltimore in the top three tech hubs fails the sniff test. CBRE has a better list here (email registration wall): https://www.cbre.com/research-and-reports/Scoring-Tech-Talen... I'm biased in that it places Atlanta unusually high, but overall it is a better, less surprising ranking: Bay Area Seattle New York Was…

I was like, hot damn, cheap housing and good paying jobs, I'm moving to Baltimore!!

You could legitimately say similar things about Atlanta though.

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Post by randcraw »

bakenator wrote: post #18
40acres wrote: post #5

Can anyone speak to.the job market in the DC metro? I've been thinking a lot about moving back to the east coast and DC seems like a decent trade off between cost of living and interesting jobs (compared to my home NYC). What kind of jobs are in DC, what's the salary range like?

The majority of jobs in DC metro are government contracting as you would imagine. That is not to say there are not interesting opportunities available. A few startups and many small contracting shops filling niche spots for the Gov. IMO the cost of living in not good in DC metro. Very high home prices, only below SF, Boston, NYC. Lower salaries than SF/NYC across the board. Upper middle class in DC requires 200k inco…

I left the DC area in 1998 after programming there for 13 years. Wages were suppressed by government white collar salary caps, which also constrained contractor incomes. A decade later, housing costs had more than doubled, yet wages hadn't budged. AFAIK, the CostOfLiving vs salary ratio remains just as unattractive today, making DC the most uncompetitive tech hotspot I know.

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Post by freehunter »

Ologn wrote: post #7

Baltimore and Raleigh are tech hubs, and New York is not? In 2000 when the dot-com's went bust, things were not so bad for IT in New York because the other industries were still going along - media, advertising, fashion, and of course, finance. San Francisco has all its eggs in one basket. Plus New York has Stack Overflow, Spotify, Computer Associates, IBM, Seamless, Rockstar Games, Kickstarter and companies like tha…

I'm curious if IBM has more jobs/tech in New York or in Raleigh. The Research Triangle Park campus is massive, and they have some huge datacenters there too.

Like the other person said, I think it's because of the fraction, which I think is perfectly valid. If it was just pure numbers, the list would be just the largest cities in the country. Going by fraction helps weed out the fact that while NYC might have a lot of tech jobs, it has a far greater number of finance jobs. Raleigh has a lot of tech jobs and not a lot else, so in terms of how focused on tech the city is, Raleigh wins.

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Post by rmason »

I've seen two surveys in the past week, one where Detroit ranked second in IT job growth and this one by Forbes that ranked Detroit 9th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2017/03/16/technolog...

Detroit didn't rank here because the cities population is below a million. But with the suburbs Detroit metro is 5 million and I believe that doesn't include Ann Arbor which just ranked as a top startup hub. So this particular survey is a little misleading.

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Post by bokglobule »

40acres wrote: post #5

Can anyone speak to.the job market in the DC metro? I've been thinking a lot about moving back to the east coast and DC seems like a decent trade off between cost of living and interesting jobs (compared to my home NYC). What kind of jobs are in DC, what's the salary range like?

The latest stats I've seen for us here in the DC metro area are that we have 7 of the 10 richest counties in the U.S. That tells you a lot about the density of opportunity here. The downtown areas have gentrified amazingly in the last several years. Nice place to be if you want to be close to things.

I was in Seattle recently and it's a truly beautiful city with a stunning landscape. But seemed kinda sleepy compared to DC. I was in Silicon Valley also recently and came away scratching my head why anyone would wish to live there now - miles upon miles of industrial parks, seemed kinda run down even in Cupertino. But just my 2 cents.

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Post by mej10 »

randcraw wrote: post #20
Ologn wrote: post #7

Baltimore and Raleigh are tech hubs, and New York is not? In 2000 when the dot-com's went bust, things were not so bad for IT in New York because the other industries were still going along - media, advertising, fashion, and of course, finance. San Francisco has all its eggs in one basket. Plus New York has Stack Overflow, Spotify, Computer Associates, IBM, Seamless, Rockstar Games, Kickstarter and companies like tha…

The problem with this article is its focus on the fraction of a city's total jobs that are high tech, not the number of high tech jobs. Raleigh's total market is small compared to NYC's, of course (~2 million in 2013). Even then I can't believe a high fraction of work in the Research Triangle area is tech related. Aside from the 3 universities, it just doesn't have many significant tech employers these days. It's bee…

Red Hat, IBM, Fidelity Investments, Cisco, NetApp, SAS, Citrix/Sharefile, Quintiles.

They all employ thousands or close to it in RTP/Raleigh. These are just the ones I thought of off the top of my head, I am sure there are others.

IBM alone employs 10,000 people in RTP.

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Post by ecshafer »

dkhenry wrote: post #21
40acres wrote: post #5

Can anyone speak to.the job market in the DC metro? I've been thinking a lot about moving back to the east coast and DC seems like a decent trade off between cost of living and interesting jobs (compared to my home NYC). What kind of jobs are in DC, what's the salary range like?

I just moved from Philadelphia to DC for a job, and I am still biased towards Philadelphia. The jobs I see around here seem to be slanted towards government and non profits. The biggest problem is the absurd high cost of living, Housing prices are high for miles out of the city, and they spike along all the major forms of transportation. Unless you like sitting in traffic for hours a day you will be paying a premium…

Philly is cheap and we are getting more start ups. There are a lot of tech jobs though, but the downside (for some) is that many are in the suburbs either on the main line or in New Jersey, and I don't think that will change much until the city business problem tax is lowered.
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