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High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by KitDuncan »

tzamora wrote: post #19
surrey-fringe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animal products are bad for you. Not me though, I'm just trying to reduce demand.

I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…

I really hate this argument. On one hand Keto advocates cry about the grain and sugar lobby, on the other they don't even consider the massive outreach the livestock lobby has and their interest in pushing this diet.

Even organic meat and animal products don't come without health risks and it comes at substantial cost to our environment.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by shirro »

cageface wrote: post #20
tzamora wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…

Even organic meat and fish has a lot of downsides. Animal fat and protein is not good for us. Check the videos at nutritionfacts.org for details.

nurtitionfacts.org is run by Michael Greger who is a vegan animal welfare crusader. Many of the articles have a factual basis but there is cherry picking to promote animal free diets so it is not an unbiased source.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by nessup »

While I am all for reducing sugar consumption, this one sentence lead me to completely distrust this paper:

> The study found no link between sugar intake and new mood disorders in women and it is unclear why. More research is needed to test the sugar-depression effect in large population samples.

There is literally no further comment on why this effect was not observed in women. Why? To me, this means it's possible that some confounder is at play here.

I'm also with Xeoncross (another commenter here) who observed that this study took place from 1983 to 2013. Quoting him:

> Sugar consumption has gone up, so has US inflation, less overall exercise, social media consumption, and a variety of other possible negative factors.

So you're telling me that the link was not observable in women, AND that many social/economic realities changed in the course of the study, and we're supposed to believe there was little room left for confounders? This reeks.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by Regist »

Seems like a pretty worthless study that indicates almost nothing. Lazy journalists, who are honestly worse than worthless, pick these lame correlation studies up and propegate weird misconceptions about increasing "risk factors". It's intellectually dishonest to even call the correlation increased "risk" when the cause of the link cannot be feasibly confirmed.

The sane assumption from this study is that depression or addiction prone people are more likely to look for satisfaction in glutany. Unfortunately that doesn't generate as much fear/ad rev.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by brookside »

tzamora wrote: post #19
surrey-fringe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animal products are bad for you. Not me though, I'm just trying to reduce demand.

I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…

Why would organic meat be better? Link to science?

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by nessup »

wutbrodo wrote: post #9
Xeoncross wrote: post #2

> "The report, published today in Scientific Reports used data from the Whitehall II cohort and analysed the sugar intake from sweet food and beverages and occurrence of common mental disorders in over 5000 men and over 2000 women for a period of 22 years between 1983 and 2013" I don't eat refined sugar because it is harmful. However, I wonder how the study accounted for the MANY changes that took place between 1983…

I don't understand this complaint. The study didn't look at a total rise in sugar consumption and a total rise in mental disorders over this period and just lazily guess that they were linked. The claim is that, within the sample, those who consumed more sugar were more likely to have mental disorders, "independent of health behaviours, socio-demographic and diet-related factors, adiposity and other diseases".

Men only. Quoting the article:

> The study found no link between sugar intake and new mood disorders in women and it is unclear why.

This, plus the fact that many socio-economic realities changed over the course of the study, makes it hard to believe there aren't other confounders at play here.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by KitDuncan »

shirro wrote: post #22
cageface wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even organic meat and fish has a lot of downsides. Animal fat and protein is not good for us. Check the videos at nutritionfacts.org for details.

nurtitionfacts.org is run by Michael Greger who is a vegan animal welfare crusader. Many of the articles have a factual basis but there is cherry picking to promote animal free diets so it is not an unbiased source.

Yeah this website is definitely to be taken with a grain of salt (even though Greger wouldn't be happy about the sodium intake), but at least he thoroughly cites his sources.

Websites advocating for a Ketogenic diet feel just as biased and most of the time don't have half the research backing it.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by cageface »

shirro wrote: post #22
cageface wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even organic meat and fish has a lot of downsides. Animal fat and protein is not good for us. Check the videos at nutritionfacts.org for details.

nurtitionfacts.org is run by Michael Greger who is a vegan animal welfare crusader. Many of the articles have a factual basis but there is cherry picking to promote animal free diets so it is not an unbiased source.

He backs up all his claims with extensive citations from recent, peer reviewed studies. The link between meat and heart disease, diabetes, and even cancer is very well established now.

Anecdotally, keto diet did absolutely nothing for me except make me feel even worse, whereas I’ve noticed dramatic improvements in mood and health after three weeks of a purely plant based diet.

Re: High refined sugar intake linked to a 23% higher risk of mental disorders

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Post by scottLobster »

brookside wrote: post #25
tzamora wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you are talking processed, adultered meat. If you have normal organic meat there is no problem at all. Likely we have been eating meat from the beginning of our existance. The problem is that the anti meat lobby like peta or sugar-bread industry want us to buy more of their products. Keto is a really good healthy diet its just that requires that you educate yourself and also is really hard to mantain because…

Why would organic meat be better? Link to science?

In the case of Beef, grass fed beef has substantially better fat/cholesterol profile, and more micro-nutrients/antioxidants

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2... http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/...

Granted that's a relative judgement. Too much meat, even organic meat, can be unhealthy depending on a number of factors.

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