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Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Which has worse concussion problems.

Soccer has worse concussion problems? I've not heard that. What's the source?

It's not true. They're both bad, but football has higher rates of concussion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140075/

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Has "whether you let your kids play football" joined the long, long list of boolean values that separate members of the Red Tribe from the Blue Tribe? If not, I think it's inevitable that it will. Someone will try to get their school to close its football program, someone else will complain that the health dangers are exaggerated by the liberal media because football is a red-state passtime, and pretty soon it'll be…

Football is hardly part of the culture wars.

My recollection is the book Friday Night Lights lays out the racism and classism at the core of high school football and that's just in Texas and James Michener brought up these sorts of issues of societal opportunity cost/health cost/monetary benefit of the worship of football/basketball (from childhood to the 99% that don't make in pro or even college sports) in "Sports in America" decades ago.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Trying to watch NFL reminds me of the moment in "Django Unchained" when we meet diCaprio's character sitting in a chair watching to slaves beat each other to death. That moment of that movie comes to me every time the TV producers cut to the team owner sitting in their fancy box in their fancy chair paying lots of African American men to beat each other up for our entertainment and profit.

The NFL started out as almost exclusively white, and is now very mixed-race and the demographics are pretty purely skills-based. So I'm not sure any slave fighting analogies apply.

Slaves come in all races shapes, sizes and genders. It still applies.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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There is a significant bias here in that its 99% of NFL players brains * which have been donated to the NFL *. But honestly even if you could peek into every NFL players brain, I'm sure the likely incidence after 4-5 years of playing would be orders of magnitude greater than whats found in the general population.

Yes, however the NYT mentioned yesterday, even if the brains are the only cases of CTE, then the incidence rate among players would still be vastly higher than in the general population.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Has "whether you let your kids play football" joined the long, long list of boolean values that separate members of the Red Tribe from the Blue Tribe? If not, I think it's inevitable that it will. Someone will try to get their school to close its football program, someone else will complain that the health dangers are exaggerated by the liberal media because football is a red-state passtime, and pretty soon it'll be…

As with a lot of these things, we can look at western Europe as a historical example.

Norway banned professional boxing over thirty five years ago for this reason, and it only returned very recently when a more conservative PM took power, and it happened amid plenty of controversy: https://www.thelocal.no/20161004/how-a-boxing-match-turned-i...

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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Do kids face the same risk factors as professional NFL players? Someone who plays in high school isn't necessarily going to play football for their entire life; do four years of football from ages 14-18 significantly increase risk?

The NYTimes article said that they tested over 200 brains, half were college or high school players only. 87% came back with CTE. One would hope that it is untenable for institutions of higher learning to profit off of giving their students long term brain damage.

Specifically the percentage breakdown was 99% NFL players, 26% of high school players. It is a significant risk in high school, but clearly there is either a cumulative effect (very likely) and/or as you graduate to more competitive levels of the sport the character changes sufficiently to be more of a risk (also very likely).

I was raised in Texas and was more the thin runner body than the football build, so I never played, though lots of people do play high school football there. It's interesting imagining that 1/4 of them could be walking around with CTE.

Of course, keep in mind the study is biased by the fact that these brains were specifically donated for evaluation for CTE. It seems probable that CTE findings would be lower in the general population.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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I feel that this comment is unnecessarily divisive and condescending. In general, I think people care about their kids, and will have different levels of risk sensitivity. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/popwarner/pop-warn...

I am deriding the sort of discourse that topics like this usually produce, not the people making the arguments. It's certainly possible that the public debate over kids' football will largely be apolitical and civil and productive, such things do happen, but I'm predicting that it won't be.

What you're actually doing is creating the kind of discourse you claim to be deriding.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

#108
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I feel that this comment is unnecessarily divisive and condescending. In general, I think people care about their kids, and will have different levels of risk sensitivity. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/page/popwarner/pop-warn...

I am deriding the sort of discourse that topics like this usually produce, not the people making the arguments. It's certainly possible that the public debate over kids' football will largely be apolitical and civil and productive, such things do happen, but I'm predicting that it won't be.

I appreciate your comment. There's a difference between predicting people will be divisive and actually being divisive yourself.

Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

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"Urschel is pursuing his doctorate at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the offseason, focusing on spectral graph theory, numerical linear algebra and machine learning." This guy has a back-up plan. Good man.

Holy schniekes. What a Renaissance man this guy is. Good for him, he's still only 26.

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Re: Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days after CTE study

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do kids face the same risk factors as professional NFL players? Someone who plays in high school isn't necessarily going to play football for their entire life; do four years of football from ages 14-18 significantly increase risk?

The NYTimes article said that they tested over 200 brains, half were college or high school players only. 87% came back with CTE. One would hope that it is untenable for institutions of higher learning to profit off of giving their students long term brain damage.

That study was a bit misleading in that they only tested brains that were suspected of having CTE in the first place.
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