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The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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I strongly believe that desktop Linux is just waiting for a paid, commercially supported variant that comes with limited, supported hardware options. That is, like Apple. Vertical integration.

It will probably never happen. Linux committed suicide by making the ideological decision to have an unstable ABI for the kernel, making it all but impossible for a 3rd party to ship binary drivers that work across multiple versions of the kernel. Microsoft could barely sustain this even across major revisions of their OS (see massive hostility to Vista because they broke the driver model). But linux does it with every point release of the kernel.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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The only reason I don't recommend desktop Linux to people is that explaining ubuntu-restricted-extras to them is too much work. Other than that it 'just works' out of the box and anyone who is currently using Windows XP should upgrade.

anyone who is currently using Windows XP should upgrade Can we stop this silly meme of calling a switch between two unrelated products an "upgrade"? WinXP => Linux is an "upgrade" that has 0% software compatibility, and requires a massive amount of retraining and reconfiguration. Which is to say, it isn't an "upgrade" at all.

...has 0% software compatibility, and requires a massive amount of retraining and reconfiguration...

Naaah. Too easy. No comment.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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It is silly to try and frame a comparison between iPhone and Android in 1-dimension. We could equally write an article criticizing the App Store and say the difference is about freedom of expression. Or about quality of apps. Or about power and flexibility. Or availability of media. Or hardware. Or half a dozen other things.

Guess what folks, there are many various differences! Personally I choose Android because I value the various dimensions on which it scores highly over those where the iPhone scores highly. But don't try and pretend there is only one dimension to this.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Speaking of having benefits for different crowds: when he mentioned the "why-is-this-here moments" his inability to understand that different people like different things became pretty clear. Why is it so hard to believe that some people may actually want a physical keyboard? Yes, it typically makes the phone bulkier and/or uglier, but for some people the extra utility it provides is worth it. Apple's approach has of…

I don't think he was saying that any physical keyboard is superfluous, so much as that the Droid's keyboard, which is terrible , is superfluous. Something about the design of the Droid keyboard - the flat keys, the squishy response, odd placements of some keys - makes it much harder to type on accurately than my Nokia E71 whose keyboard is nearly half the size. And the fairly decent predictive / autocorrect functiona…

Blackberry user here, and to this day I defend the primary point of me continuing to use a physical, full qwerty keyboard is the responsiveness, and the user centric design of the keyboard. Case in point of this having two shift buttons on either side of the spacebar, both iOS and the Android platform lack this logical affordance (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/application-mistakes.html).

Great points, Sam.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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Perhaps a longer blog post needs to be dedicated to this, but I feel like much of the debate between iOS and Android focuses on the "fundamental differences" between Apple's particular approach (or call it philosophy) to mobile computing, and Google's. This might be a bit controversial, but I find it NOT an open and shut case that an "open, customizable" platform is an advantage.

Throughout history we've been struggling with the Google/iOS problem, but the debate took on different forms: totalitarian versus democratic government, planned economy versus "free" economy, big government versus small government. The question is: should certain kinds of decisions affecting a state be centralized or dispersed? In theory, dispersed power (among citizens, or users) should win the day, IF NOT for inevitable market inefficiencies (information asymmetries, NOISE, emotional human irrationality) and malicious private agents who prey on the uninformed. There is an argument to be made that computing platforms fall under this debate. I would argue that Google's open platform also makes it vulnerable to far too many exploits: viruses, buggy, crashing, battery-draining software, and adware that might indiscriminately display pornography. All for certain powers of customizability that I (and many others) find trivial. Like choosing system fonts and having video wallpaper.

If everybody in the world had the means to discriminate between spam software and non, then I would think that a system under which anybody could post software targeting any part of the system would be an excellent thing. But they can't. WE, as hackers can. Maybe. But for a majority of the people, they must enter into a "social contract" with a curator wherein decisions of quality and security are made for them in exchange for a price premium equal to or less than the value of time saved in "not worrying" about malicious code. Beautifully, this space is evolving to a cycle of two year hardware refreshes (less than that for hardcore users), and these serve as market voting mechanisms for the job or efficacy of the curator (in this case, Apple and Google).

In the United States (which some would argue is the apotheosis of enlightenment thinking of the government problem) we have deferred legislative power to a body that we pay to do the thinking for us. We cycle through this body periodically democratically (as we can in mobile). We certainly don't have time to ponder over the minutiae of certain articles of legislation. In the same way, I would argue, I don't have time to discriminate between one piece of software for compatibility, reliability, security and quality, and another making nearly identical claims to functionality. Maybe you do, and that's why you choose Android. Meanwhile, I'll trade certain features for peace of mind.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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I had an iPhone for 3 years or so. It was a great device for what it did, but the whole hassle of having to use iTunes. No removable storage. Can't just stuff mp3's on it and use as ringtones. Can't just copy photos off it unless you go through the right software. It's just a PITA. Not to mention the mass of features that are just lacking on the iPhone but you take for granted on Android. Exactly. Mobile doesn't mean…

Makes a lot more sense to everybody, except for the majority of people who still don't quite understand what a folder is. I agree, I like copying over mp3s and photos, finding out what folder they need to go in, if they have filename restrictions, that sort of thing. I have done that for a long time. I understand that, and find it easy. What I have a problem with is people who think that everybody wants it that way.…

The only things I have to manually copy over to my Droid are music and video. Everything else (photos, contacts, email, docs) is just cached transparently from the cloud. This seems a lot simpler and more user-friendly to me than forcing a user to physically attach to a computer and worry about duplicates, overwrites, stale files etc. Isn't the whole idea to stop forcing users to think about files?

The only reason I have to manually copy music and video is bandwidth so it's likely that at some point in the near future those will also be handled for me.

Re: The difference between iPhone + Android: Great since day one

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You completely missed the point of this article, which I find odd because the author clearly explained why he compared Android with desktop Linux. By "Linux on the desktop", he means Linux on regular Joe's desktop, not the hacker's desktop. The author agrees with you that Linux is made for people like you that want/need the extra control, etc, whatever. This is not what the majority are looking for in a desktop distr…

I think it's a little harsh to say that I "completely missed the point" of this article. I get it -- Apple products are very polished and carefully designed and the Android lacks that polish but is feature rich. Is that an accurate description, or did I completely miss something else? Marco is a developer with some very successful products, and I really respect his work. I feel that makes him influential in the hacke…

> As a developer, I just wish that I had started using linux earlier because I would have learned a lot more and it

Total agree.

After years of windows, i moved to Linux Desktop since last 2 years. How i wish, i had done that earlier.

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