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BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

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Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#51
1) Arresting btc-e admin made all US customers to lose their balances on btc-e exchange. I highly doubt btc-e will come back online.

2) If you run online exchanger and have a single US customer, then you have to register your operation in USA. I find it ridiculously stupid.

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#53
BTC-E has been seen by the Bitcoin community as "shady" for years. People have always recommend others to avoid using it. It was rumored to be an easy place to sell stolen Bitcoins. It has always offered strangely convoluted pathways to transfer fiat to financial institutions (see http://bitcoinworldwide.net/how-to-deposit-money-into-btc-e). I'm glad BTC-E finally got taken down. I am not surprised it was involved in illegal activities. One less shady Bitcoin company.

Now the top 12 or so volume-ranked Bitcoin exchanges listed at https://cryptowat.ch are perfectly legitimate trustworthy companies. The ones I'm not sure about are CEX.IO and Luno (not saying they aren't trustworthy, I just don't know them that well) and, well, Bitsquare which as a decentralized exchange is bound to have some shady participants.

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#55
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The question for me is: why US? He is a Russian citizen, the company is based in Bulgaria, servers in Russia, legal HQ in Cyprus and all the services operated from Seychelles - arrested in Greece. The MtGox hack affected a Japanese company. I'm not debating the nature of the crimes, etc - I am just wondering, when does it become a US case? I can get the "there were US customers" - but why not Europe? Or Japan? Or Rus…

> Russian gay laws What are those?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia#Propagan...

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#56

The question for me is: why US? He is a Russian citizen, the company is based in Bulgaria, servers in Russia, legal HQ in Cyprus and all the services operated from Seychelles - arrested in Greece. The MtGox hack affected a Japanese company. I'm not debating the nature of the crimes, etc - I am just wondering, when does it become a US case? I can get the "there were US customers" - but why not Europe? Or Japan? Or Rus…

The concept involved here is extraterritorial jurisdiction--the US claims the right to enforce its laws on its citizens abroad in some circumstances. The most notorious uses in the US are FATCA (basically forcing foreign banks that do business with US citizen to hand information over to the US) and the FCPA (allowing anyone with pretty much tangential relationship to the US to be sued for bribery). It's telling that the FIFA corruption scandal was brought, not by any EU courts, but by the US federal prosecutors.

In these sort of situations, the main thing that tends to apply is not the ability to get a judgement in court but the ability to get that judgement enforced. So if, say, Fiji were to make up a law and convict, say, Donald Trump under it, no one would care--Fiji would have no practical way to enforce that judgement. But the US can generally get its judgements enforced, even outside the US.

In the specific case of the financial world, the size and importance of the US financial markets gives the US unparalleled power to enforce judgements. The US could not only lock you out of dealing with USD transactions directly, they could also direct banks that do business in the US to not do business with you.

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#57
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There's been no mentions of coin seizures anywhere as far as I can tell. Usually you'd see some boasting about that. Perhaps these guys were actually smart about their cold storage?

Page 6 article 20 says they operated their servers in the United States. If that's true then I'm pretty sure they've already been seized. They were probably on aws

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#58
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you start a gay social network in US, can Russia come in (the first time you are flying in one of the Russia's partners territories) and say "you are breaking Russian gay laws, you are under arrest"? Yes.

Countries charge foreign nationals of crimes all the time. The fact that this is surprising to many people in these comments is horrifying.

That's not confusing, what's confusing is his lack of direct association with the USA. There are a handful of other countries that would appear to be more responsibility for his actions.

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you start a gay social network in US, can Russia come in (the first time you are flying in one of the Russia's partners territories) and say "you are breaking Russian gay laws, you are under arrest"? Yes.

People often don't realize that if you fly through US airspace after violating certain US laws as non-citizens, you will be apprehended through an emergency layover coordinated with the carrier. That's a contributor to why US federal three letter agencies constantly ingest passenger manifests.

Like this guy http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/man-removed-from-aero...

Re: BTC-e and its founder charged in 21-count indictment over hack of Mt. Gox

#60
Although I don't understand the US's involvement in this -- a man breaking the rules is being put to justice, and I'm very glad. I'm also impressed by the feds work in the cryptocurrency space. In recent years the fed has really started to reverse the trope of the government not being technologically adept. There are too many that become wealthy through illicit means and it's good news that something effective is being done about it.
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