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College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And yet people continue to slide into alcoholism every day, in every culture. Even the ones where it is illegal. This is a strange thing to "even". You'd expect alcohol to be illegal where it was more of a problem, not where it was less of a problem. In cultures where nobody succumbs to alcoholism, why would alcohol be prohibited?

You know, this isn't a question of philosophy. We're not reasoning from first-principles. You might consider looking to the googles for an answer as to which nation-states currently ban alcohol, and then consider what commonalities they might share. I'll save you the first half of that effort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_alcohol...

Those are Islamic countries. Do you think there's a reason the prohibition was made? Do you think there might be a reason it stuck?

Alcohol is also frequently prohibited on Indian reservations. Why do you think that is?

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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I come from a place (Jaipur, IN) where weed is legal since a very long time, there are people I've met who are 90 and still consuming marijuana on daily/weekly basis and don't regret about it, I hadn't listen any incident/accident that happened because of weed. neither to folks are underachievers, they are respected professors, artists or daily wage workers. meanwhile, drink and drive accidents are very common here, and consuming liquor is considered a malignant.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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It's sad to see such a brigade of hate/insecurity around any pot study. It's a shame. Every time there is some inkling of negativity the panic sets in, they criticize the study (which is valid, but how often is the criticism valid), they bring up how alcohol is worse, when this wasn't even a comparison to alcohol. Marijuana should absolutely be legalized. But we can't just ignore its effects. I get it-weed helps a lo…

>Every time there is some inkling of negativity the panic sets in, they criticize the study Source? Is there any empirical evidence that this is happening or is this just what you're telling your self? IMHO, it's quite the opposite -- anytime cannabinoids are shown to have medical value people claim "correlation does not imply causation" and "we need more studies" and "this only works in a lab!!1".

Seems like you're only supporting his point, mate.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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post #36

I believe it. However, there's more to life than squeezing maximal efficiency and productivity out of human beings.

Exactly. You could probably do the same thing for alcohol. Or video games.

Wasnt the article comparing pot users with non pot users? Presumably the control group included people who drink same play video games as well?

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

#85
I'll just reiterate what a great deal of other sensible folks have already said: I think it's quite silly to try and use this study to draw or support any overarching conclusion about whether weed should be legal or not.

Of course your grades will be affected if you smoke when you ought to be studying.

Of course your grades will be affected if you drink when you ought to be studying.

Of course your grades will be affected if you study (the wrong course material) when you ought to be studying.

Basing decisions about legality and restraints on individual freedoms on things like average academic performance reduces individualism and pushes, by default, a sort of nationalistic view. "No you may not do X because it makes you a less valuable asset to the nation state, and you are meant for nothing more than service to the nation state."

Even innocent studies like this hide dangerous potential ideologies and subterranean reductions of individual freedom that politicians will try to push.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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Thanks to scare tactics and the never ending publicity that wants us to believe it's a miracle drug. We've lost sight that pot really has it's downside. We need fact based education, no bs scare tactics, to emphasise that to users. Pot has its strong benefits but we can't lose sight of its bad side and users need to understand that. Specially now that it's being legalized in so many states.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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It's sad to see such a brigade of hate/insecurity around any pot study. It's a shame. Every time there is some inkling of negativity the panic sets in, they criticize the study (which is valid, but how often is the criticism valid), they bring up how alcohol is worse, when this wasn't even a comparison to alcohol. Marijuana should absolutely be legalized. But we can't just ignore its effects. I get it-weed helps a lo…

I'm surprised in the sense that I wouldn't think excluding access to one intoxicant would have such a big impact when it can be readily substituted for other legal substances.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Or did you forget?

I'm talking from personal experience. Your ability to keep a train of thought is impaired, you struggle to build the house of cards in-memory to do any kind of extended analysis, the cards you put down simply vanish from memory. You feel empirically dumber. At its worse, you start to talk about a topic, branch into a subtopic, and are unable to find your way back. You find yourself asking people "what was I talking a…

You mean, while you're actually intoxicated? No kidding!

Or do you mean while NOT impaired, as a result of regular "after-hours" use?

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, who would have thought a distraction would affect grades? Video games, alcohol, parties, weed, whatever - you think any of these benefit your grades? Of course not. The results of this study aren't surprising, but the potential for it to be used as political ammo rightfully annoys pro-marijuana advocates. Personally, I'm all for legal weed - but trying to shuffle this study under the deck doesn't benefit anyo…

It's a study. It should be released regardless of agendas or politics or if it didn't agree with someone's worldview. If there are any negative effects from weed, I (and everyone) should want to know about it first or as soon as possible. We need more studies on everything to expand our knowledge. But this study compared people who smoked pot and people who didn't. I imagine many of them played video games, partied,…

> It's a study. It should be released regardless of agendas or politics or if it didn't agree with someone's worldview

Not if the study is politics itself and a weapon to support someone's agenda. Studies and researchs don't grow wild in nature, you know.

Re: College students lost access to legal pot and started getting better grades

#90

Weed is not a panacea. Some people foolishly think otherwise. It should still be legalized, but we have to be realistic about its negatives

Nobody believes weed will make you better at studying. Nobody.

I do, by personal experience.
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