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Google and a nuclear fusion company have developed a new algorithm

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Re: Google and a nuclear fusion company have developed a new algorithm

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Sounds like some promising results, hopefully this approach will continue to be useful. Addressing the wider article, it always surprises me that the focus fusion approach is never mentioned in fusion articles put out by the mainstream media. I don't know what to attribute that to, but it's surprising that one of the most promising fusion approaches is constantly overlooked. To give an idea how drastically overlooked…

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Re: Google and a nuclear fusion company have developed a new algorithm

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how does one climb a hill with no gradient? [serious question]

You can climb a hill without knowing the gradient, so long as you can compare two points in terms of height. You randomly move in some direction, then compare the new point to the old point, go to whichever of them is higher, and repeat. This sounds like what the experimenters are doing. Perhaps the GP was alluding to "first order hill climbing" as evaluating the gradient in every direction and climbing the steepest…

is it picking a new configuration at random, or does it still have to be "close" to the last configuration?

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I do have a naive question. Suppose a big breakthrough comes out of a private company, and such innovation is necessary to use nuclear fusion. The company will be free to do whatever it pleases with the technology or it will somehow "force" to let other use, maybe behind the payment of some royalties.

It probably also depends on funding they have received from places like the Department of Energy and contracts they have signed for their research being publicly available, but if Paul Allen is the funding and not the government maybe it's all private. My own naivety would say billionaires investing in clean technology would share it with the world, but who knows?

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This is actually a really exciting development to me. (Note, what is exciting is the "optometrist algorithm" from the paper [1] not necessarily googles involvement as pitched in the guardian). Typically a day of shots would need to be programmed out in advance, typically scanning over one dimension (out of hundreds) at a time. It would then take at least a week to analyze the results and create an updated research pl…

Perhaps a stupid question, but why can't the whole experiment be run as a simulation?

Even if this would be the dream of a lot of theoretical physicists to replace experiments with simulations, this must not happen! Ever! Even if every complex system in the world could be simulated in reasonable time it would still require experiments to verify or falsify the simulation results. A simulation is essentially just a calculation from a model someone came up with to describe a system. In order to check how good the model is one has to check it against experimental data. Just expanding the models without experimental verification will not necessarily result in a good theoretical description. It would be like writing software without testing the components and expecting it to work correctly when you're done. There was recently an article on HN where economists were described as the astrologers of our time [1] since they do not verify their mathematical models to an extent where they can predict economical systems. This is another example where more experimental data should be considered in order to falsify certain theories.

Those are the reasons why string-theorist will not (and should not) get any Nobel price in the next decades. Since its predictions are hard to measure on those small scales there's no way of telling if the model is any good until it is compared against suitable experimental data.

[1] https://aeon.co/essays/how-economists-rode-maths-to-become-o...

Re: Google and a nuclear fusion company have developed a new algorithm

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To be clear: there are no gradients here (right?) This is just 0th order hill-climbing with a human assist.

how does one climb a hill with no gradient? [serious question]

Finite differences, you estimate the gradient.

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Perhaps a stupid question, but why can't the whole experiment be run as a simulation?

The system is fundamentally 6^N dimensional with N~10^23.

Yeah, 6^N dimensions are fun! ;)

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As a psychologist, this looks an awful lot like computerized adaptive testing methods, only instead of estimating some parameter vector about a person, you're estimating some parameter vector about plasma.

Even the title "optometrist algorithm" is telling, because that paradigm is a basic model for how a lot of testing is done, except that it's not the optometrist doing it, it's a computer.

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You can climb a hill without knowing the gradient, so long as you can compare two points in terms of height. You randomly move in some direction, then compare the new point to the old point, go to whichever of them is higher, and repeat. This sounds like what the experimenters are doing. Perhaps the GP was alluding to "first order hill climbing" as evaluating the gradient in every direction and climbing the steepest…

is it picking a new configuration at random, or does it still have to be "close" to the last configuration?

It still has to be close by some metric to be considered hill climbing. The article doesn't make it clear, but I suspect a lot of the insight in the algorithm is how the computer chooses two similar sets of inputs that differ in an "interesting" way.

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Perhaps a stupid question, but why can't the whole experiment be run as a simulation?

Even if this would be the dream of a lot of theoretical physicists to replace experiments with simulations, this must not happen! Ever! Even if every complex system in the world could be simulated in reasonable time it would still require experiments to verify or falsify the simulation results. A simulation is essentially just a calculation from a model someone came up with to describe a system. In order to check how…

Agreed. My background is philosophy, and while i rarely get into the STEM arguments. This has everything to do with inductive learning vs deductive learning. Any simulation will be run with the premises already built in, but cutting edge science is always about learning what those premises are. If we knew what they were, it'd be trivial to set up the reactor. Here we need inductive experimentation to learn how to simulate it trivially.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps a stupid question, but why can't the whole experiment be run as a simulation?

Even if this would be the dream of a lot of theoretical physicists to replace experiments with simulations, this must not happen! Ever! Even if every complex system in the world could be simulated in reasonable time it would still require experiments to verify or falsify the simulation results. A simulation is essentially just a calculation from a model someone came up with to describe a system. In order to check how…

I believe this is more about solving an engineering/mathematics problem, than about fundamental physics and the scientific process.
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