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Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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>If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined, I don't think they would even blink an eye. ...is that because you don't think non-HNer's don't have an appreciation for how much something like Walmart is worth (~$250B)? Or because you think they believe that $100B is a reasonable valuation? >Really is fascinating how different…

You know people that would not recognize any of those brands?

I only know Booking (never used it personally, but my relatives do; well... did, I think they stopped for ethical reasons: the 'middlemen' thing), I've never heard of any of the others and I have no idea about what they provide.

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined , I don't think they would even blink an eye. Come here and the top discussion thread is about how little Priceline does, how they're "just middlemen", and that they don't add any value. It's clear that HN (and techies as a whole, I assume) highly discounts the value of users, marke…

> how they're "just middlemen"

As are Uber/AirBnb and internet advertising giants Google and Facebook.

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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It's not exclusive to Priceline, and it's called Opaque pricing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opaque_travel_inventory Basically, in exchange for a lower price, the hotel guest gives up their right to choose which hotel they want to stay at. And for the hotel, they get to sell lower priced rooms without advertising lower prices, enabling them to engage in price discrimination so they don't lose out on the people will…

What "kind of guest" does this attract? I sometimes do this, especially in ski towns. I also sometimes negotiate at rural hotels to get a fade rate. Do hotels hate me?

Not rich ones like Shatner.

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined , I don't think they would even blink an eye. Come here and the top discussion thread is about how little Priceline does, how they're "just middlemen", and that they don't add any value. It's clear that HN (and techies as a whole, I assume) highly discounts the value of users, marke…

In my experience in tech (only a few years, I came from finance, and before that construction, weirdly) people are super cynical and often believe that they know more about _any_ business because they can write some code or something similar. I have never been around more people who consistently think they know better than everyone else. This was a surprising thing for me because I assumed engineers would be more cur…

Seasoned programmers who have worked on software across several industries are probably pretty good at understanding and translating day to day business tasks into automated code. To do that you almost have to understand a business inside and out. That's their job. If more people were humble, less would get done

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined , I don't think they would even blink an eye. Come here and the top discussion thread is about how little Priceline does, how they're "just middlemen", and that they don't add any value. It's clear that HN (and techies as a whole, I assume) highly discounts the value of users, marke…

HN might also be aware of the market caps of the airlines Priceline books for:

Delta: 34.4B

Southwest: 30.2B

American: 22.1B

United: 18.7B

Are we incorrectly discounting marketing, brand, etc when we notice that the top booking service is valued triple the top actual provider? That the value they add might not actually be triple the value of the actual flight?

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined, I don't think they would even blink an eye. ...is that because you don't think non-HNer's don't have an appreciation for how much something like Walmart is worth (~$250B)? Or because you think they believe that $100B is a reasonable valuation? >Really is fascinating how different…

You know people that would not recognize any of those brands?

I recently met an older dude who hadn't heard of Craigslist!

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined , I don't think they would even blink an eye. Come here and the top discussion thread is about how little Priceline does, how they're "just middlemen", and that they don't add any value. It's clear that HN (and techies as a whole, I assume) highly discounts the value of users, marke…

In my experience in tech (only a few years, I came from finance, and before that construction, weirdly) people are super cynical and often believe that they know more about _any_ business because they can write some code or something similar. I have never been around more people who consistently think they know better than everyone else. This was a surprising thing for me because I assumed engineers would be more cur…

No - it is just about age. HN readers are younger thus they think they know more. Old people will just say: "I don't know about that" [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvT_gqs5ETk

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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If you were to tell a non-HNer that Kayak, Booking, Priceline, CheapFlights, OpenTable, and other large websites are worth 100B combined , I don't think they would even blink an eye. Come here and the top discussion thread is about how little Priceline does, how they're "just middlemen", and that they don't add any value. It's clear that HN (and techies as a whole, I assume) highly discounts the value of users, marke…

HN might also be aware of the market caps of the airlines Priceline books for: Delta: 34.4B Southwest: 30.2B American: 22.1B United: 18.7B Are we incorrectly discounting marketing, brand, etc when we notice that the top booking service is valued triple the top actual provider? That the value they add might not actually be triple the value of the actual flight ?

Flights are only part of the picture - hotels, car rentals, et al. Anything, basically, to do with travel.

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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Brands have no inherent value though; they're the consumer equivalent of religious icons. They cease to have meaning if they're not kept alive by advertising and can be destroyed by a single screw up or undermined by a clever emme. Marketing people sell value, they don't create it.

In the eyes of who? To the company and its owners, if my brand allows me to sell an equivalent widget for a higher margin, how is that not value? Just because value can be created or destroyed by a single action doesn't mean that value is somehow less valuable. To the user, if I derive greater pleasure because I believe I have bought a more valuable product (attributable only to the brand), just because there is an e…

To the company and its owners, if my brand allows me to sell an equivalent widget for a higher margin, how is that not value? Just because value can be created or destroyed by a single action doesn't mean that value is somehow less valuable.

Soap bubbles are beautiful but you wouldn't pay money for one because you know how ephemeral they are. The value in brands is the expectation of future revenue that will inure to them. I'm saying that not only is this fragile, if it's destroyed then it's not good for anything else. By contrast, suppose the Fancy Hotel Company goes bankrupt through mismanagement; you still have an actual fancy hotel - an aesthetically pleasing building, comfortable furniture, experienced staff, logistical relationships with suppliers etc. Changing the name on the building to the Cosy Hotel Company would be a sales problem in the short term, but would have zero impact on the actual operation of the hotel itself.

To the user, if I derive greater pleasure because I believe I have bought a more valuable product (attributable only to the brand), just because there is an equivalent widget out there, does that somehow discount my pleasure?

Yes. Let's take a simple example - processors. I'm sure you can think of reasons why some prefer Intel and others prefer AMD, and why those different choices might be valid depending on the users' criteria. But which processors do you think HN runs on?

You probably don't know or care because it makes no functional difference to you. You might still have preferences about the next computer you buy but only insofar as you can imagine it making a quantifiable difference to you.

As a consumer, your contribution to brand value is only as good as your knowledge of what makes a branded offering unique and irreproducible.

Re: Priceline now worth $100B

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This is stupid. Really. Here we are in a world where the companies that own the assets (you know, the things that cost a lot of money) are worth less than the things that don't own anything. This doesn't seem "right" or "fair" in the sense that Priceline should be a middleman, unable to exercise any or all pricing power because it does not control the assets producing the revenue. I wonder how long this can last?

All about leverage points. Being the middleman is a great leverage point on the internet - fb, amazon, google.
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